Thread: Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
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Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 29 May, 2011 09:09 AM
This is the surprise that I promised : The forgiveness of your sins are not dependent on your asking for forgiveness --- it is unbiblical.
I looked up 8 forms of the word 'forgive' every single place they occurred in the New Testament after weeding out a few that do not apply to the topic here is what I came up with:
Occurs 1 time --- *Forgiveness based on confession. (1John 1:9)
Occurs 4 times --- *Forgiveness based on the blood of Jesus. (Matt26:28 Eph1:7 Col1:14 Heb9:22)
Occurs 5 times --- *Forgiveness given based on nothing. (Matt9:6 Col2:13 Heb8:10-12 Heb10:16-18 1John2:12)
Occurs 7 times --- *Forgiveness based on Faith. (Matt9:2-6 Mark2:5-10 Luke5:20-24 Acts10:34 Acts13:39 Rom4:7-9 Jam5:15)
Occurs 8 times --- *Forgiveness based on as we Forgive others. (Matt6:12-15 Matt18:21-35 Mark11:25 Luke6:37 Luke11:4 2Cor2:7-10 4:32 Col3:13)
Kind a of Occurs 9 times --- *Forgiveness based on repentance. Note: Of the the first five none reference anyone interacting with Jesus, that leaves only 4 verses in Acts, meaning all but two where written by Luke and the two in Mark, one is about John the Baptist and the other a quote of Isaiah. (Mark1:4 Mark4:12 Luke3:3 Luke17:3-4 Luke24:47 Acts2:38 Acts5:31 Acts8:22 Acts26:18)
Forgiveness based on asking for forgiveness Occurs 0 times in the New Testament.
I submit to you that asking for forgiveness is a lack of Faith or Understanding of the Gospel. Your sins are already forgiven--- All Of Them---Past Present and Future! Therefore the only thing that remains for us is to receive Forgiveness through Faith and in turn Forgive others as Jesus has Forgiven us.
What about confession and repentance? This is really about Faith, about agreeing with God about our sin and turning to Him. Many think to repent means to turn from their sin, I disagree --- that is only half way. To repent is a 180� u turn, meaning turning from sin and to God. Just turning from sin is Not repentance ; it is only a 90� turn from sin.
Forgiveness is only found in believing Jesus already has forgiven you, confession and repentance is not as much about forgiveness as it is about you cooperating with God to remove sin from your life, sin that has Already Been Forgiven!
Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 29 May, 2011 03:35 PM
Two wrote - "1) At the end of the day asking God to forgive the sins you committed that day so if you die in your sleep you wont go to hell.
Or...
2) At the end of the day thanking God that you are no longer under condemnation for your sins and they are all forgiven; praising God for what He has done for you. Then confessing your sins to God and asking for God to grant you true repentance in these areas of your life; a true u turn, asking for help; supernatural insight and strength, wisdom and guidance so you don't repeat them."
This has nothing to do with dying in my sleep or going to hell, but I like to sleep at night, so I always ask forgiveness for my lousy screw ups throughout the day. What would be the difference between what I'm doing and your examples above? As I said in my prior post, it seems repentance leads to asking forgiveness. Isn't that basically what you're saying in your #2 example, in addition to praising God that our sins are/can be forgiven?
Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 29 May, 2011 03:42 PM
Whoa, Whoa, ...I said WHOA!.......hahaha
We are getting off track and it will lead to the land of confusion!
Joey has some awesome stuff in her post, however it is the comparing apples and oranges scenario. : Forgiveness, Confession and Repentance are all totally different critters!
I can confess I stole 200 dollars from you and not be repentant. I can ask for forgiveness but not confess inwardly. However repentance depends on confession and shows a true appreciation for forgiveness already given!
Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 29 May, 2011 03:46 PM
Thank you for clarifying, TS. :glow:
Pride is such a daily enemy, that one could run with your thread and say they never need to repent again. It really is a heart matter and the heart condition is what can hinder our fellowship with God and each other.
Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 29 May, 2011 03:47 PM
Two wrote - "First let us look at what this verse does Not say : You can work your way into heaven or earn forgiveness simply by forgiving others. --- I think we all agree on that? The verse days "forgive us our trespasses AS we forgive those who trespass against us".--- did you get that? --- the verse is not asking for the forgiveness of trespasses, but rather asking for 'How' they are forgiven in a way that makes a person acknowledge how God forgives them and are expected to forgive others accordingly. This verse is a masterpiece reality check!"
To your first question, yes, I agree. As to the verse..."forgive us our trespasses AS we forgive those who trespass against us"... my understanding is God will forgive us AS we forgive those who trespass against us, meaning, AS we forgive others is HOW God will forgive us. If we hold a sin against somebody and don't forgive them when they ask for forgiveness, God will not forgive us when we ask Him for forgiveness.
Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 29 May, 2011 03:54 PM
Saved, You know me...bluntness is my strong point!...lol, so not to disappoint you here we go, ....however I go in love and honesty.
You said "I like to sleep at night".
I understand that. However what you are doing is a relational thing with God. Do you feel you have offended God during the day and you just want to get it straight with Him so you will sleep better?
I submit to you that God already knows your weaknesses and your sin before you committed it and rather that asking for forgiveness which He has already granted you. I think God would rather have you discuss your weakness and sin with Him, seeking out positive solutions from Him....know what I mean?
Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 29 May, 2011 03:59 PM
I know exactly what you mean, Two. And yes, I do ask the Lord to help me in my weak areas, to make me a better person, more Christlike and stronger in those areas I am weak. But dang it Two, I've been asking forgiveness for my daily screw ups for 40 years. :laugh:
