You have the disciples prayer mixed up the prayers of Yeshua.
The prayer of Yeshua:
One of His prayers with the Father.
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
The disciples prayer:
Luk 11:1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
If you want i will break this prayer apart from Matthew 6
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Posted : 27 May, 2011 09:43 PM
I dont need you to! its all right there
Matthew 6:10-14 THIS THEN, IS HOW YOU SHOULD PRAY: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
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Posted : 27 May, 2011 09:49 PM
What I am saying, If you truly believe you can repent your sins 1 time! Then go back to living the ways of the world without seeking forgiveness. explain THIS prayer!
I need a small block of time to post it correctly, for many will be grasping at straws to avoid coming to a truth which in their mind must be 'too good to be true' therefore must be wrong.
Every scripture you have posted about the forgiving of sins forever, I wholeheartedly agree with the scripture brother... I just don't agree with your explanation of the Scripture.
The sins are there to be forgiven, they will be forgiven and are already forgiven.. but we must come for it!
POIC:
Since my sin,past present and future have already been forgiven,then why is there a need for me to 'COME FOR IT'.
I just need to rest in the faithfulness Of Yeshua and His Word.
Fish,say you ask me for 50,000 and i agree to GIVE this to you,I then make the deposit.
If I say Fish,i just deposited $50,000 into your checking account,you might not believe this until contacting the bank.
After contacting the bank you get confirmation as to our conversation.
Will you come to me askng for $50,000,or will you just be about your business.
Fish:
We can backslide, and that is not my interpretation of scripture it plainly says it a bunch!
POIC:
Yes we do sin every day.
I am not concerned about this.
Yet ABBA will remove the roots of sin in His time
Fish:
Jesus said to his disciples "if you love me, keep my commandments"
POIC:
Fish,You make the same mistake as most Christians,by following what a man says about this.
Yeshua says to 'Keep' His Commandments.
The Greek word for the English word 'keep' does not necessarily mean to obey.
John 14:15 IfG1437 ye loveG25 me,G3165 keepG5083 myG1699 commandments.G1785
English:Keep
Greek:tereo
G5083
τηρέω
tēreō
Thayer Definition:
1) to attend to carefully, take care of
1a) to guard
1b) metaphorically to keep, one in the state in which he is
1c) to observe
1d) to reserve: to undergo something
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to G2334)
Citing in TDNT: 8:140, 1174
Fish:
he also said the law can be summed up in to one commandment!
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have
loved you.
POIC:
Apart from the Holy Spirit empowering, myself,this is impossible
JOHN 15:9-12 (KJV)
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue
ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you
Thank you for so quickly proving my point; for you already have gone on the attack and dimissed my post; a post I have even posted yet!
If it were merely a interpretation I could and would post it now, however I want to take the time to supply the reader with Scripture references, especially readers such as yourself who have already dug their heels in without even hearing it yet. In love brother I suggest this is a indication one is not secure in what they believe and therefore afraid to consider things outside their individual paradigm, and that is okay for what I will submit is for individual consideration before God. If you choose not to accept it that is quite frankly; your business. However if you decide it should not be accepted by anyone; you better come armed and not be showing up at a gun fight armrd with only a knife.
Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Rom 4:9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
Rom 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
I have followed your suggestion; 'sit down and think about it'. Rather than seeing hypocrisy, I smell something fishy. I fail to see how you can judge a post that hasn't been posted yet!
I am done with this argument! I have been, because there is no resolve just like I said!
There have been denominational splits on things for a long long time. Everyone feels that they are right, so they do what they feel is right!
I was very wrong to try to disprove what you felt just because I don't understand it. For that I am very sorry!
But I still will continue to believe the way I a led to believe! I will worry about my salvation, and let you worry about yours, and I expect the same from you.
