Thread: When Liberals use the Bible.................
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When Liberals use the Bible.................
Posted : 26 May, 2011 08:31 AM
Liberals Tend to reduce the bible to four verses of Scripture, and misinterpret those verses to fit modern socialist goals.
They will use Jesus saying "turn the other cheek" as an excuse for pacifism, even though that phrase meant not to sue someone in court even though you had the right. The will use the verse in the Gospels where a certain group of Christians sold all they had and everyone had everything in common, as an excuse for communism, even though those Christians did this willingly without government coercion. They will use "Judge not lest ye be judged" to tell Christians to shut up, and not call anything they do evil, including abortion and Homosexuality. They use the verses that tell us to help the poor, to tell us we should support socialist welfare policies, even though in the bible, the poor are what we call destitute, and we are supposed to do it personally, not by voting for some socialist nanny state.
And here is a quote about Liberal preachers, who are trotted out by the hard left from time to time, to help in advocating for the religion of leftism. And, remember that none of this even comes close to the black liberation theology preached in Obama's church that he attended for twenty years.
"Liberal preachers have tended to use Biblical texts as ornaments, attached to already arrived-at conclusions and convictions � a 'resource' rather than a 'source.' As an atheist put it: 'You hear what the psychologist says, what the historian says, what the New York Times editorial writer says, and then the sermon concludes with, And perhaps Jesus said it best..."' �Martin Copenhaver, 'The Making of a Postliberal,' Christian Century, Oct. 14, 1998, p. 937.
Just because one is a Conservative, does not make one a Christian, James.
James replies:
Yes, of course. And I did not say that, or imply that. However.......Our nation was designed directly on Christian principles.
The idea of limited government, directly from the fallenness of man, In Psalms it says, "do not put your trust in princes".
The idea of checks and balances, directly from all the scriptures which talk about the total depravity of fallen man.
The very idea of having our laws based upon the moral base of the Ten commandments, etc.
So, in theory, a conservative would NOT go against the Christian faith. And in reality, we know a few do, but they are violating Christian principles.
And also in reality we KNOW that Liberalism is anti-Christ in every way.
Tinyfrog said:
It kinda does, Violakat.
James replies:
I will go out on a limb here tinyfrog and say maybe you have gotten some liberalism on your Christianity, and hopefully, not the other way around? Or maybe this is just sarcasm......
Tinyfrog said:
Look at abortion. From a strictly pragmatic point of view, it is an evolutionary milestone. We would surely be the ultimate species if we truly managed to embrace the idea of killing our own young for scientific purposes in an overpopulated world, sacrificing babies for stem cell research.
James replies:
Forgive me if I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. I will just proceed to deal with the arguments. The population experts got it exactly wrong. They wrote several books, and these book were preached in universities for decades, and they were all wrong.
Socialism tends to produce adults who don't wish to be adults, so communist and socialist nations all have a birth rate that does not even approach half of a birth rate necessary to keep the population stable. Vast areas of the USA are uninhabited, Europes poulation would be less than half of what it is now in one generation except for the Muslims. The world population has leveled off, and barring catastrophes like plague and war, seems to be stable overall. Russia, the largest nation on the planet, has only 150 million people, and in 30 years, is forecasted to have only 50 million. On growing people to kill them for parts, yes, that is a wonderful thought to a liberal. There is the old saying that Liberalism is an infantile protest against adulthood. Well, I also think that Liberalism is the self-destructive urge made into a quasi-religion.
Tinyfrog continues:
Up until today, the only things that eat their young are animals who drive themselves to extinction. The liberal coldness to what would otherwise be clear morality is an obvious gigantic step towards the advancement of our society.
James replies:
Now, that has to be sarcasm......
Tinyfrog said:
Homosexuality is a victimless crime. Without the Bible, it isn't a crime at all. The only reason to mess with homosexuals the way conservatives do is either a Christian agenda or the agenda of a closed-minded bigot. Without being a Christian, how could any just person be against homosexuality? And why would anybody care?
James replies:
Sexual perversion ALWAYS ends up with the degrading of Women, and the rape of children.
The army of Roman Catholic preists who are homosexuals, are also the same ones who molest children.
In real life, there is a certain percentage of homosexuals who live only for finding a young person they can pervert.
The hepititis, aids, and more STD's than are even known to science, are the RESULTS of this kind of behavior. Sexual perversion is NOT a victimless crime.
I realize the leftist media want to pretend their are only people who drive around in pickup trucks with baseball bats, looking to beat up anyone who looks 'queer', OR, the enlightened ones, who worship homosexuals, and act like they are better people, and more intelligent than us mere hetero's. But the truth is most of us fall into neither of those two categories.
Tinyfrog said:
Liberals are all about voting democrat and squandering money on the poor, a relatively Christlike philosophy (although there is a problem with accepting responsibility for consequences of ill-thought out actions among many liberals).
James replies:
The idea of the undeserving poor, does not exist in the Liberal mind, because it gets in the way of installing socialist control at every level of society.
The very idea that Liberals claim they care for the poor, while demanding Abortions, SHOULD be enough for the average person to call them liars, and reject them at the ballot box.
Christian charity, which is an important duty in the Christian life, does not even resemble government welfare programs that we have today. In the early days of America,and up until not long after Marx wrote the Communist manifesto, America had thousands and thousands of private charites that were run by Christian and Jewish organizations. They exercised true Christian charity, and knew the difference between the deserving and the undeserving poor. Soon after the communist takeover in Russia, we had editorials in the newspapers saying the government could do a better job of caring for the poor.
It was a long battle, but bad "charity" drove out the good charities.
Tinyfrog said:
If a conservative isn't a Christian, he's a backward, greedy, selfish, bigot jerk.
James replies:
If a Conservative isn't a Christian, then he is just recognizing the material benefits of Conservatism over socialism.
He might not care for a lot of private Christian morality, and he will be totally spiritually dead, but he will recognize what works in this world, and what you do comes back on you.
God is the one who saves, and makes people spiritually alive. Let's remember this thread was about when LIBERALS use the Bible. Liberals USE the Bible, ONLY when they feel then need to condescence to the stupid people who have respect for the Bible. When they talk amongst themselves, the Liberal elite sneers at people who respect the Bible.
PJ Most of our Founding Fathers were Deists, and you may say that this country was founded on Christianity, bu tI say that it was not the overriding factor, it was founded on superstition and servitude from those who were deemed less fortunate, it was founded on archaic pagan ideas based on the Dogma of that time, which is why the Indians were treated unfairly and killed unjustly, it was founded on the paganism of believing everyone was a witch who was female and had to be burned, sort of like the Taliban quest for sharia law, where the European spoke of Christ like fruit but showed the fruit of the adversary, which caused Thomas Jefferson to denounce the Bible and the doctrine and Dogmas of the main church patterned after England conservative branch of religion in which he detested it so much he wrote His own gospel.
Conservatives may not believe in killing unborn, but they believe in starting wars that kill old and young alike, the only time they show christian fruit is when their bottom line shows a positive impact. I am not talking about all, for I think your categorizing of God's children is worse than David numbering the tribe of Israel, you are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
For if you were really spiritual as you portray the Holy Spirit would allow you to see the deception you are walking, or may be you do see it and your disdain for anyone that thinks or is different than you can not be tolerated by you, so you hide behind your doctrine and say things through your rear end just to get a rise.
Which ever it is I wish you reach what ever joy you may obtain from it.
