Why won't those that believe wake up and love James and tell him he is in total denial of the word of God? Reformed theology denies the very foundation of the word of God in saying man does not have the ability to do what the word of God tells him to do. By the way there is no place for Jesus in reformation theology, even on this site I have heard it more than once they have the basics, no they don't they totally deny the basics. The foundation of Christianity is built on faith from the word of God, not the word of men about the word of God.
Twosparrows said
James you asked: so shall you receive: John 1:10-13
especially ~ "But to all who did receive Him" and "He gave them the right to be children of God tothose who believe in His name"
James replies:
This is a good Scripture, and in no way disagrees with the Order of Salvation, or the "Ordo Salutis".
This Scripture says that the ones who received Jesus, were accepted by God and forgiven.
It does NOT say "they had the ability to chose".
This is another "whosoever" verse.
NO ONE who repents and trusts in Jesus will be turned away!
But the Bible ALSO plainly says that NO ONE has the ability to repent and trust in Jesus UNLESS God GRANTS it, or DRAWS them, or GIVES THEM the GIFT OF FAITH.
And what I am saying to you, is NOTHING NEW!
And since there has been so much time spent on this group lately slamming Calvin and Luther, and the Reformation in General, here is something from a THOUSAND YEARS earlier than the Reformation:
If anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, "What have you that you did not receive?" (1 Cor. 4:7), and, "But by the grace of God I am what I am" (1 Cor. 15:10). If anyone affirms that we can form any right opinion or make any right choice which relates to the salvation of eternal life, or that we can be saved by assent to the preaching of the gospel through our natural powers without the effectual work of the Holy Spirit, who makes all whom He calls gladly and willingly assent to and believe in the truth, he is led astray from the plain teaching of Scripture by exalting the natural ability of man, and does not understand the voice of God who says in the Gospel, "For apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5), and the word of the Apostle, "Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God" (2 Cor. 3:5).
Here are the scripture passages on Matthew Chapter 13:verses 36-43 - wherein Jesus explains the Wheat and Tare Parable to His Disciples. May God open your understanding to spiritually receive and understand His word... its very plain and clear.
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, �Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.�
He answered and said to them: �He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
Jesus Christ is the Son of Man, and He is the Word, and the Word is the seed. The sons of the kingdom are believers in Christ. The sons of the wicked one are those who reject Christ in unbelief. All unbelievers will be casted into the lake of fire with satan and the devil in judgment... and those who believe in Jesus Christ will inherit the kingdom of God with Jesus Christ heir and joint heir to the kingdom in righteousness... that's Bible.
ET, now try lining up what Jesus said it meant with what you say it means. I can do it for you if you like and show you the discrepancies, perhaps it would be good for you to realize how you interpret in light of your ideas.
Two I am not sure about what you see but in essence, the seeds sown in this case are words, and words produce life or death depending whose words they are, that is the very essence, or by man accepting the knowledge of Good and evil. or the word of satan, just as eve did.
2sparrow, then you should explain what the word SEED means according to the parables in the Bible, becasue its used often. Help me understand without doubt. You always deny or disagree against something being spritiually untrue as to the meaning of a passage, but you never explain things according to biblcial understanding found in scriptures. So what does the word SEED means based on your understanding in biblical terms?
Also, POIC since you claim to be knowledgeable in the Greek and Hebrew, I think you should share how Strong Concordance defines the word SEED and its meaning and usages in the Bible., as well as in the Greek and Hebrew
Also, how is it that you know so much about my denominational beliefs? Sounds like you must be JW, if you don' t believe or know how the different usages of the word seed and how it is used throughout Bible in parables and passages.
Also what church and Bible Study classes do you attend regualrly, and how is it that you undertand the biblical terms and concepts used in the bible with such biblcial authority and spiritual insights?
So, POIC get out your Greek and Hebrew books or go online however it is that you look up your information, and give an account of the definition and usages of this word SEED as used in the parables, don't foget Jesus uses the word throughout His parables, and Paul has also used this word in his writings. So make it plain and clear.
I've already posted this sometimes back, but it appreas no one still spiritually understands. So you would you please do the honors of looking up the word seed for me in the Hebrew and Greek as is used in Matthew chapter 13 throughout Jesus' parables. I would appreciate this...
If Jesus is not known as the SEED and the Word of God isn't known as the SEED, maybe you will be able to make it very clear as to what is referenced to as being the SEED and how it is used biblcially, and don't forget to post this information. I will check back later on a break, Thanks a bunch...
I think you need to spiritually understand biblical concepts and term, and know that satan is not the father in the natural of any physical children as in birther... and it appears that this is where you are trying to take this to mean.
For you to believe such in not of God and is twisted and if you can prove that satan is the narural father of any children, then I think you should let me and others know where in scritpure this is found. and also let God know, becasue even God doesn't have this kind of information.:laugh::ROFL:
Show me scriptures stating such. and please know that to think such is of demonic influence... and is a hinderance by the devil, to prevent you from receiving revelation from the Holy Spirit in spiritually undersatnding and knowing the truth of, and about God and His word through relevation of His Word. As the word teaches you are speaking in things you have no understanding, and that ain't good and spiritually dangerous.
2Spar Said ~ "Jesus said the seed are the sons of God and the sons of the evil one and the field is the world"......I don't think He could of made it any plainer!
*** where in the Bible does Jesus say that the seeds are the sons of God ? I dont read that in the Parable...xo
