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"Can These Bones Live?"
Posted : 17 May, 2011 09:07 PM

�Can These Bones Live?�



by R.C. Sproul



It was the early spring of 1958. I had spent the entire morning hours, till noon, on my knees beside my bed. It was the most passionate prayer experience of my young Christian life. I had been converted in September of 1957 and was now facing the deepest crisis of my nascent spiritual pilgrimage.



At issue was this: my girlfriend was coming to campus. She was the girl I loved and desired to marry. My resolve toward matrimony with her was kindled when I was in the eighth grade, five years earlier.



The previous months were difficult for her. She received a letter I wrote to her the night I became a Christian. She read it with zero comprehension of what I was talking about. At first she was puzzled by my new religious fervor. Her bewilderment turned to grave concern as our mutual friends warned her that I had gone off the deep-end and morphed into a religious fanatic. Then concern gave way to hostility knowing she could not spend her life with a religious nutcase.



Each day she fielded my letters that were laced with quotations from the Bible and testimonies of each new experience I had with Christ. Soon we both understood that our relationship was headed for a train wreck, one not unlike the one she and I experienced in Alabama in 1983 � hence my prayer vigil. This was not mere intercession. It was importunity, spiritual begging with a vengeance. I knew that unless she became a Christian, there was no way we could ever marry.



I picked her up at the bus station, and she checked-in at the girls dorm on campus. After dinner I took her to our weekly Bible study in the parlor of the church across the street from �Old Main.� There in the course of the opening of the Word, her heart was opened as well, and she made the transition from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light. She met the Master, and He redeemed her.



That night her sleep came in fits and starts. She kept pinching herself asking silently, �Do I still have it?� Satisfied that indeed she still had it, she drifted off to sleep.



First thing the next morning I picked her up at the dorm to begin our journey home for the weekend. On the way down Route 19 toward Pittsburgh, she looked at me with a radiant smile and said, �Now I know who the Holy Spirit is.�



She had grown up in church. She sang in the choir. She heard the words of Scripture, but they bounced off her recalcitrant heart. She had no ears to hear, no eyes to behold the excellency of Jesus. Until that night in New Wilmington, Pennsylvania, the Holy Spirit was a mere abstraction, a third of the ritual of the weekly benediction. But now she knew Him as the third person of the Trinity.



Less than twenty-four hours as a Christian, and she had no training in theology. She was illiterate with respect to the content of the Bible. But she was, by intuition, already a Calvinist. She understood that her conversion was not caused by my prayers or by my oratory. She knew the cause did not reside in the inclinations of her own flesh. She knew her faith was not self-created. No, she clearly knew that what was wrought in her soul was wrought by the immediate, supernatural, and efficacious work of God the Holy Spirit.



The accomplishment of all that was needed objectively for her redemption had been achieved by Christ centuries earlier. But the personal application to her soul, the subjective appropriation of the objective work of Christ, was done by the Holy Spirit.



It was John Calvin who was known as the �theologian of the Holy Spirit.� He was dubbed this not because he manifested the gifts of tongues or became so preoccupied with the Spirit as to lean toward a unitarianism of the third person of the Trinity. He was called the theologian of the Holy Spirit because of his biblical emphasis upon the work and ministry of the Holy Spirit in our redemption. He understood that just as the Bible sets forth the divine work of Creation as a triune activity involving the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, so, in a similar fashion, Scripture reveals the work of redemption as the threefold activity of the Godhead. In our redemption, it is the Father who designs and plans our redemption. It is the Father who sends the Son into the world and, together with the Son, sends the Holy Spirit.



In the administration of redemption, though all three persons of the Godhead are co-equal in being, glory, and eternality, there is nevertheless an economic subordination that takes place. The Son comes to do the will of the Father. His task is to satisfy the demands of God�s justice and righteousness. His meat and His drink is to do the will of the Father. He speaks with authority, but it is an authority not His own. Rather, it is an authority delegated to Him by the Father.



His perfect obedience is both active and passive. Actively, He kept every jot and tittle of the Law. In that endeavor, He was perfectly successful. He is more than sinless. To be sinless is to be free from all fault, taint, or blemish. It is to be innocent of guilt. But the Son is more than innocent. He is righteous. He achieves perfect merit. He fulfills the details of the covenant by which God promised the reward of blessing to those who achieved obedience. It is the fruit of Christ�s active obedience that is the ground of our justification and the righteousness that is imputed to us by faith.



In His passive obedience, like the silent lamb at the slaughter, the Son acquiesces to the dreadful punishment of the curse of God. He drinks the cup of the bitterness of God�s wrath to its dregs.



In His active and passive obedience, the Son accomplishes our redemption objectively. Yet, for that redemption to avail for us, it must be appropriated subjectively. Faith is required as the necessary instrument for us to receive the benefits of Christ�s accomplished work of redemption.



The subjective appropriation of the work of the Son is accomplished by the application of that redemption by the Holy Spirit. It is the Spirit who regenerates us. In that regeneration, He generates the faith in us that is necessary for our appropriation of the work of Christ.



That application via regeneration and faith is not a joint venture between the sinner and the Spirit. The Spirit does not regenerate those who believe. No, He regenerates the unbelieving sinner unto faith. He quickens to spiritual life those who are dead in sin. He changes the recalcitrant heart of the sinner, making the unwilling willing to come to Christ. He makes the indisposed disposed to Him, the disinclined fully inclined. Our salvation is entirely of God � God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Soli Deo Gloria.

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"Can These Bones Live?"
Posted : 18 May, 2011 10:39 AM

Twosparrows,





If this contradicts the Bible then it is much more than a mere "smokescreen". It would contradicting the very word of God!





Here is the last paragraph:



"That application via regeneration and faith is not a joint venture between the sinner and the Spirit. The Spirit does not regenerate those who believe. No, He regenerates the unbelieving sinner unto faith. He quickens to spiritual life those who are dead in sin. He changes the recalcitrant heart of the sinner, making the unwilling willing to come to Christ. He makes the indisposed disposed to Him, the disinclined fully inclined. Our salvation is entirely of God � God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Soli Deo Gloria."





Pick ANY sentence in that paragraph, and SHOW SCRIPTURE THAT CONTRADICTS IT.





I am from Missouri, the show me state.



SHOW ME!





In Christ,





James

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Posted : 18 May, 2011 11:08 AM

‎"The doctrines of grace humble a man without degrading him and exalt a man without inflating him." ~ Charles Hodge





Act 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.





Why Did Lydia care about what Paul said? Because The LORD opened her heart.



See the order? The Lord opened her heart, and THEN she cared about what Paul was saying.





John 6:63-65 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64But there are some of you who do not believe." (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) 65And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."



Where does Jesus say a persons decision is the reason they believe or won't believe????



I see Jesus saying The flesh is NO help at all! I see Jesus giving ALL the credit for a persons Spiritual life coming directly from the Holy Spirit.



we have Scripture directly saying that natural man has NO ability to repent and accept Jesus, and you are saying that we have the ability, and it all hangs on our decision to accept Jesus???





Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.



When you grant something, you are giving someone something they did not have.



Eph.2:8,9 says that faith itself is a gift from God, the verse above says that God give repentance.



you keep saying it is our decision, and I see that NOWHERE in Scripture and that idea is contradicted by MANY Scriptures!



Eze 36:26-27 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.



God told Adam that the DAY he ate of the fruit, that he would DIE. Not be wounded, or hurt, but DIE.



Since Adam and Eve did NOT die physically, we have to conclude God meant spiritual DEATH.



Jesus said that He came to give us life.....well, we were already alive physically before He came, so we have to conclude Jesus meant alive spiritually.



God takes a totally spiritually dead person, with a will enslaved to sin, and the Holy Spirit enters that person and makes them into a new Creature, and then SUDDENLY that person naturally desires to repent and trust in Jesus.



Fallen mankind is DEAD, D-E-A-D in sins. Spiritually dead people cannot make themselves to be born again.



Salvation is totally a work of God. ALL of the Christians life is of grace.



In Christ,





James

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Posted : 18 May, 2011 12:31 PM

James you asked: so shall you receive: John 1:10-13

especially ~ "But to all who did receive Him" and "He gave them the right to be children of God tothose who believe in His name"

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Posted : 19 May, 2011 08:49 AM

Twosparrows said:



James you asked: so shall you receive: John 1:10-13



especially ~ "But to all who did receive Him" and "He gave them the right to be children of God tothose who believe in His name"







James replies:



This is a good Scripture, and in no way disagrees with the Order of Salvation, or the "Ordo Salutis".



This Scripture says that the ones who received Jesus, were accepted by God and forgiven.



It does NOT say "they had the ability to chose".



This is another "whosoever" verse.



NO ONE who repents and trusts in Jesus will be turned away!



But the Bible ALSO plainly says that NO ONE has the ability to repent and trust in Jesus UNLESS God GRANTS it, or DRAWS them, or GIVES THEM the GIFT OF FAITH.



And what I am saying to you, is NOTHING NEW!



And since there has been so much time spent on this group lately slamming Calvin and Luther, and the Reformation in General, here is something from a THOUSAND YEARS earlier than the Reformation:



If anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, "What have you that you did not receive?" (1 Cor. 4:7), and, "But by the grace of God I am what I am" (1 Cor. 15:10). If anyone affirms that we can form any right opinion or make any right choice which relates to the salvation of eternal life, or that we can be saved by assent to the preaching of the gospel through our natural powers without the effectual work of the Holy Spirit, who makes all whom He calls gladly and willingly assent to and believe in the truth, he is led astray from the plain teaching of Scripture by exalting the natural ability of man, and does not understand the voice of God who says in the Gospel, "For apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5), and the word of the Apostle, "Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God" (2 Cor. 3:5).

Adapted from The Council of Orange (529 AD)





In Christ,



James

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