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Admin	Women Preachers Posted : 6 May, 2011 04:41 AM Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted for them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. ~~~~~~~~ And if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. (1Corinthians 14: 34-35) ____________________________ Why don't these scriptures apply today? Also what does it mean to usurp authority over a man and where's that scripture in the Bible? _____________________________ Do you think women preachers are called by God? Post Reply
View Profile History	Women Preachers Posted : 6 May, 2011 10:39 AM ML, here is art of a commentary I found online for you to review. There are many different commentaries out there but the basic undrestanding of Pauls' writing is the same. I hope this will help you to get a biblical insight on those scriptural passage you asked about, its rather long, but hope this short part will bring insight to your answers. This is from a commentary on www.biblegateway.com ... I'm not posting the whole thing just some of the part that deals with the scripture passage you asked about. Of course, you can find many more online commentarieson this passage from different bible sites, this is just one view that I found... Commentary Points of I Timothy chapter 2: 11-15: The woman-man relationship in the worship service (2:11-15). Today, among those who take the Bible seriously, two main positions have emerged in the discussion of this passage and its implications. As the following brief outline of each position will show, the passage needs to be considered as a whole, for the instructions of verses 11-12 (and also vv. 9-10) are grounded in some way by verses 13-15. One position (here called position 1) generally maintains that verses 11-12 prohibit women from teaching and holding authority over men. Within the worship setting their appropriate role is that of the learner. Women will be quiet during the teaching portion of the service--that is, they will not teach or question. And they will be fully submissive to men's authority. Furthermore, on the basis of the Genesis material in verses 13-14, the arrangement sanctioned by Paul is held to be permanent. Verse 13 grounds the subordinate position of the woman in the order of creation, the man having been created first. The allusion to Eve's deception in verse 14 presents an illustration of the negative consequences that result when the divinely willed structure is disturbed. In one way or another verse 15 then refers positively to the acceptable role of women. The second position (which I shall call position 2) insists that the passage contains a temporary restraining order issued to curb the activities of a group of women who (most argue) were teaching the heresy in Ephesus. Thus the relegation of women to the role of learners, who must be quiet and submissive to the imposed (male) authority structure, represents a local rather than a universal rule. Similarly, the prohibition from teaching in verse 12 was a stopgap measure, and the reference to holding authority over a man is better understood as "wrongfully usurping" his authority. As far as Paul's use of Genesis goes, verse 14 provides an example or explanation, showing how just as the deception of Eve had drastic results, so also did the deception of some women in Ephesus. Verse 13 is somewhat problematic for this position. The contemporary debate seems to turn on the question of the rule's limits of applicability, local and temporary versus universal and timeless. And the determining factor usually ends up being the interpretation of Paul's use of the Genesis allusions. But there is more to be considered. First, the passage must be assessed within the whole of Paul's teaching, and particularly in light of other statements he made about the relationship of men and women (and husbands and wives). Those of position 2, in attempting to understand the relevance of 1 Timothy 2:11-15 for today, have rightly pointed to a Pauline theme of equality within the social structure, as registered by the triad of texts Galatians 3:28, 1 Corinthians 12:13 and Colossians 3:11. Further, it is certainly arguable that Paul's acknowledgment of the role of women in his ministry (Rom 16:1; Phil 4:3) and in the church's worship (1 Cor 11:10) is the outworking of that principle of equality. The apparent discordant note struck in the present passage (and in 1 Cor 14:33-35) should alert us to the fact that Paul's program of social equality was not unconditional, but it does not necessarily nullify the basic principle. As F. F. Bruce explained, in Galatians 3:28 "Paul states the basic principle . . . if restrictions on it are found elsewhere . . . they are to be understood in relation to Gal. 3:28, and not vice versa" (1982:190). Post Reply
View Profile History	Women Preachers Posted : 6 May, 2011 05:22 PM I gotta agree with what 1heart posted. I don't believe women should be pastors of a Church or that a man should sit under a woman pastor.. Paul said in 1 Cor 11:3, "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God." If a woman is a pastor, it puts her in the position as head over the Church [man] and flips the above Scripture into an order other than how God laid it out. Post Reply
View Profile History	Women Preachers Posted : 6 May, 2011 06:42 PM This is a simple question until some confuse the issue with "equality". This is Not about equality; the Bible says 'In Christ there is no male or female', we all are equal. However the Bible clearly speaks of God ordained roles. Saul, even though he was king, took on the role of priest and was severely judged. The fallen angels left their God ordained role and were severely judged. In the garden, Eve took on the leadership role when God had given her the role of helpmate. In this "modern" society equality is a good thing, however it has caused many women to confuse equality with "sameness". A woman is Not a man nor a man a woman, they have different God ordained roles. I see the roles clearly defined in Scripture : A woman can be a pastor, teacher, preacher to women and children. She can preach and teach even to men as long as it is not in a position of leadership over men. Women desiring to lead men is the oldest sin on the planet! Post Reply
View Profile History	Women Preachers Posted : 6 May, 2011 06:48 PM How do you deny the anointing on their life. In otherwords do they anoint themselves? Post Reply
View Profile History	Women Preachers Posted : 6 May, 2011 06:52 PM I agree with what 1heart, saved, and twosparrows all have said. Post Reply
View Profile History	Women Preachers Posted : 6 May, 2011 07:08 PM PJ, No one is denying the anointing on any woman's life... Some women are just preaching/teaching in the wrong arena. Post Reply
View Profile History	Women Preachers Posted : 6 May, 2011 07:31 PM Well saved think about what you said, of course I can not agree because of what scripture teaches. Post Reply
View Profile History	Women Preachers Posted : 6 May, 2011 08:43 PM PJ, do you have Scripture saying it's okay for a woman to be a pastor and for men to sit under her and submit to her authority? Post Reply
View Profile History	Women Preachers Posted : 6 May, 2011 08:54 PM If he does, I'd like to see it. Post Reply
View Profile History	Women Preachers Posted : 6 May, 2011 09:18 PM What authority is it you are saying a man has? Post Reply

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