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What is: "The Bible"?
Posted : 10 Dec, 2019 05:04 PM

The Bible, the justice system and common sense dictates a person cannot testify on their own behalf. Therefore the Bible cannot testify on its own behalf.------------------------------ Since the New Testament did not exist at the time of its own writing, it is impossible for anything in the New Testament to testify about the New Testament. ----------------------------------- The Bible isn't a Book, but a collection of books by different authors. Therefore authors may testify for another book as long as they weren't the author of that book------------------- Where legitimate testimony exists, what is being testified to? For example Psalm 119 may testify about Torah; "the word is perfect" but that does not equate to inerrant, but rather, perfect for the job it is intended for.----------------------------

The bottom line is the Bible is a extremely valuable written record by and about the relationship with God.our physical and spiritual ancestors had. The Bible is a God inspired tool designed to bring us into relationship with the "Living Word" rather than bring us into relationship with a Paper Pope.

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Posted : 14 Dec, 2019 08:21 PM

I Peter 1:23-25: You have been **BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING **WORD OF GOD**!! All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the **WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER**. And this is the **WORD** that was preached to you.



James 1:18; He chose to give us **BIRTH THROUGH THE WORD** of Truth!!



Matthew 24:35: Jesus says, Heaven and earth will pass away, but **MY WORDS WILL NEVER PASS AWAY**!"



John 17:17: Jesus prays to His Father, "Sanctify them by the Truth, **YOUR WORD IS TRUTH**!"



Ephesians 2:17: Take the sword of the Spirit, which is the **WORD OF GOD**!



2 Timothy 3:15,16: 4:1,2: You have known the **HOLY SCRIPTURES**, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. **ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**!! {**WHICH IS THE ENTIRE NEW COVENANT AND NEW TESTAMENT**!!}



Acts 22:24:15: Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our ancestors has **CHOSEN YOU** to **KNOW HIS WILL** and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from His mouth. **YOU WILL BE HIS WITNESS TO ALL PEOPLE** of what you have seen and heard.



Acts 26:16-18: The Lord Jesus said to Paul, "Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you and **APPOINTED YOU** AS A SERVANTAND AS A WITNESS OF WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND WILL SEE OF ME**! I am sending you to the Gentiles to open their eyes and turn then from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they my receive **FORGIVENESS OF SINS** and a place among those who **SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME**!"



Acts 9:15: The Lord Jesus said to Ananias, "This man {PAUL} is **MY CHOSEN INSTRUMENT**to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel!"



Acts 20:27: Paul said, "For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the **WHOLE WILL OF GOD**!"



chuckles like Satan claims the above 4 Scriptures that God inspired Luke to write are lies, thus making God a liar. These are definitely unpardonable sins which will earn chuckles eternal torment in hell.



2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL ALSO WROTE WITH THE WISDOM THAT GOD GAVE HIM**! He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {For the Lost}. which IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT, {Like chuckles and Satan} as they do other Scriptures to **THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION**!{Which would be eternal torment in hell}



John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one who does not accept My words, the very words I have spoken {In Acts 9:15 & Acts 26:16-18 above} will condemn them at the Last Day!"

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Posted : 15 Dec, 2019 12:04 AM

Chuckk quote:

KJO,

You see what you just did? Do you see your own acrobatics? No, it is not "next question please". You did not answer this one!

"The phrase "meat offered to idols" should be understood as a memorial meal for the dead that sometimes degenerates into an immoral affair."

Why then didn't the Scripture just say that? Why didn't the risen Jesus just say; "I have this against you; you partake in immoral memorial banquets for the dead" ????

You have twisted and molested the simple plain words of the Torah, the Apostles and Jesus himself just to protect Paul and your doctrines.

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See Chuckk, people are pretty passive like yourself, then it seems when I bring certain scripture to their attention, that is when I am usually called a witch.. or other such verbal derogatory nonsense . I see you are "respectfully" calling my comment BS! WOW! strong words there for trying to answer your question!!. See, you didn't think I would be able to but you underestimate the scriptures because you don't trust them .Your buzzword of "doctrine of harmony" ...where did you get that from? Inquiring minds want to know. What book or video? Please enlighten us !! Maybe David wants to add it to his buzzword collection . But I think , I HOPE, David believes the scriptures to be in harmony! It would be a shock to me if he didn't.

Fact: Saul wanted Samuel raised because he wanted answers from the dead because he perceived that God had forsaken him...in the scriptures provided in Numbers, psalms etc, I have shown that there were banquets to the dead and in some verses, inquiries into the future by consulting the dead.

CEV- in plain english..

4 The Philistines went to Shunem and set up camp. Saul called the army of Israel together, and they set up their camp in Gilboa. 5 Saul took one look at the Philistine army and started shaking with fear. 6 So he asked the Lord what to do. But the Lord would not answer, either in a dream or by a priest or a prophet. 7 Then Saul told his officers, “Find me a woman who can talk to the spirits of the dead. I’ll go to her and find out what’s going to happen.”

CEV

Numbers 25 Contemporary English Version (CEV)

>>>The Israelites Worship Baal<<<

25 While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men had sex with Moabite women. 2 These women then invited the men to ceremonies where sacrifices were offered to their gods. The men ate the meat from the sacrifices and worshiped the Moabite gods.

3 The Lord was angry with Israel because they had worshiped the god Baal Peor. 4 So he said to Moses, “Take the Israelite leaders who are responsible for this and have them killed in front of my sacred tent where everyone can see. Maybe then I will stop being angry with the Israelites.”

5 Moses told Israel’s officials,[a] “Each of you must put to death any of your men who>>> worshiped Baal.”<<<<

CEV psalms 106:28

Your people became followers

of a god named Baal Peor,

and they ate sacrifices

offered to the dead.[d]

NOW..

Pay attention....

What did JESUS say in Revelation 2:14

14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the>>> doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.<<<<

Does Revelation 2:14 harmonize???.(.this doctrine of harmonization that you mock) with the other scriptures posted?

Please consider your answer.

Bonus for you to ponder on:

Balaam wanted God to be angry with the people of Israel, so he advised Balak to get some of the most beautiful women in his kingdom to draw the men of Israel into unclean and idolatrous practices.

Balaam knew that if the Israelites adopted pagan ways, God would not bless them as He had done. And so, the Israelites let the pagans influence them, instead of standing firm on the sure Word of God and His Holy Law!

Satan has used this ‘trick’ time and time again. The church at Pergamos had committed spiritual ‘fornication’ in>>> allowing people to compromise the Word of God—allowing pagan ideas to be adopted into the church.<<<<<(Oh!!! Christmas & Easter anyone!!..Transubstantiation ?? Perhaps Evolution in the Church--WOW!....gap theory, globe model---essentially, ANYTHING that contradicts scripture ) 2 Peter 2:15 and Jude 11 also refer to people who have rebelled against God and are compared to Balaam.

The United Methodist Church affirms a Creator God and supports the scientific study of evolution. "We recognize science as a legitimate interpretation of God's natural world.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/pope-would-you-accept-evolution-and-big-bang-180953166/

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Posted : 15 Dec, 2019 12:12 AM

Chuckk,

I care about you alot. I just hope you can start to see the harmony of the scriptures and trust ...TRUST.

My prayers always.

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Posted : 15 Dec, 2019 01:06 AM

Chuckk,

Isn't it always been the intentions of the heart that HaShem looks at?

So isn't going to the meat market (like walmart or the butcher shop) to buy food a whole lot different than being enticed by beautiful women and fornicating with them and eating meat sacrificed to a god that they offer to them?

To me..ok, to me..Paul was trying to keep peace . These new converts were coming out of a pagan culture and didn't know what to do. Jesus turned the world upside down and some wanted to do the right thing and not defile themselves. Some were ok eating meat from the market but some weaker brother wasn't sure if it was ok. Do you get it? The stronger brother was not to cause the weaker brother to sin because he thought the meat was questionable and therefore a sin for him to eat. The idols themselves cannot defile the meat as they are dumb idols of no power. I hope this helps.

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Posted : 15 Dec, 2019 03:45 AM

KJO



You treat the Bible like a magic 8 ball, shaking it around until you get the answer your looking for. Imo, you disrespect Scripture.



Moses, The Apostles and Jesus all say "don't eat meat sacrificed to idols" and you have changed it to "don't eat memorial feasts to the dead" all because you must protect your unsubstantiated doctrine of harmonization and Paul.



As you yourself have shown, you choose Paul OVER Moses, the Apostles and even Jesus. If such people were honest, they wouldn't call themselves Christians, but instead Paulites.



In reality; you sound more like a Marcionite

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Posted : 15 Dec, 2019 05:34 AM

I Peter 1:23-25: You have been **BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING **WORD OF GOD**!! All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the **WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER**. And this is the **WORD** that was preached to you.



James 1:18; He chose to give us **BIRTH THROUGH THE WORD** of Truth!!



Matthew 24:35: Jesus says, Heaven and earth will pass away, but **MY WORDS WILL NEVER PASS AWAY**!"



John 17:17: Jesus prays to His Father, "Sanctify them by the Truth, **YOUR WORD IS TRUTH**!"



Ephesians 2:17: Take the sword of the Spirit, which is the **WORD OF GOD**!



2 Timothy 3:15,16: 4:1,2: You have known the **HOLY SCRIPTURES**, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. **ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**!! {**WHICH IS THE ENTIRE NEW COVENANT AND NEW TESTAMENT**!!}



Acts 22:24:15: Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our ancestors has **CHOSEN YOU** to **KNOW HIS WILL** and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from His mouth. **YOU WILL BE HIS WITNESS TO ALL PEOPLE** of what you have seen and heard.



Acts 26:16-18: The Lord Jesus said to Paul, "Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you and **APPOINTED YOU** AS A SERVANTAND AS A WITNESS OF WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND WILL SEE OF ME**! I am sending you to the Gentiles to open their eyes and turn then from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they my receive **FORGIVENESS OF SINS** and a place among those who **SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME**!"



Acts 9:15: The Lord Jesus said to Ananias, "This man {PAUL} is **MY CHOSEN INSTRUMENT**to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel!"



Acts 20:27: Paul said, "For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the **WHOLE WILL OF GOD**!"



chuckles like Satan claims the above 4 Scriptures that God inspired Luke to write are lies, thus making God a liar. These are definitely unpardonable sins which will earn chuckles eternal torment in hell.



2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL ALSO WROTE WITH THE WISDOM THAT GOD GAVE HIM**! He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {For the Lost}. which IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT, {Like chuckles and Satan} as they do other Scriptures to **THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION**!{Which would be eternal torment in hell}



John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one who does not accept My words, the very words I have spoken {In Acts 9:15 & Acts 26:16-18 above} will condemn them at the Last Day!"

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Posted : 15 Dec, 2019 08:57 PM

**AND SO SALVATION IS 100 PERCENT **FREE** but **ETERNAL REWARDS** are 100 percent **EARNED**!!



Ephesians 6:8: Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will **REWARD** everyone for what ever good he does!



Revelation 22:12 Jesus says, “Behold I am coming soon! My **REWARD** is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done!”



Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, “The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels and **THEN** He will **REWARD** each person according to what he has done!”



Luke 11:33,34: Jesus says, "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a **TREASURE** IN HEAVEN** that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your **TREASURE** is, there your **HEART** will be also!"



Luke 14:13,14: Jesus says, "When you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be **BLESSED**. Although they cannot repay you you will be **REPAID AT THE RESURRECTION** of the righteous!"



2 Corinthians 5:9,10: We make it our goal to please Him... for we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.



1 Corinthians 3:13-15: His work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his **REWARD**. If it is burned up he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.



How to Win Heavenly CROWNS:



I Corinthians 9:24-27: Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes in to strict training. They do it to get a **CROWN** that will not last; but we do it to get a **CROWN THAT WILL LAST FOREVER**! Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize!



2 John 1:8: Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be **REWARDED** fully!.



Revelation 3:11: Jesus says, “I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your **CROWN**!”



2 Timothy 4:7,8: I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the **CROWN** of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me **ON THAT DAY**—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for His appearing!



The **CROWN** of Life for those who persevere under trials and persecution:



James 1:12: Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the **CROWN OF LIFE** that God has promised to those who love Him!



Revelation 2:10 Jesus says, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer... Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the **CROWN OF LIFE**!”



Matthew 5:11,12: Jesus says, “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your **REWARD IN HEAVEN**!”



Luke6:22,23: Jesus says, "Blessed are you when people hate you, when they reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. Rejoice in that day and **JUMP FOR JOY**, because great is your **REWARD IN HEAVEN**!"



! Daniel 12:3: Those who impart wisdom will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness like the stars for ever and ever!!



Matthew 19:29: Jesus says, "Everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children **FOR MY SAKE** will receive a **HUNDRED TIMES AS MUCH** and will inherit eternal life!!"

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