The Bible, the justice system and common sense dictates a person cannot testify on their own behalf. Therefore the Bible cannot testify on its own behalf.------------------------------ Since the New Testament did not exist at the time of its own writing, it is impossible for anything in the New Testament to testify about the New Testament. ----------------------------------- The Bible isn't a Book, but a collection of books by different authors. Therefore authors may testify for another book as long as they weren't the author of that book------------------- Where legitimate testimony exists, what is being testified to? For example Psalm 119 may testify about Torah; "the word is perfect" but that does not equate to inerrant, but rather, perfect for the job it is intended for.----------------------------
The bottom line is the Bible is a extremely valuable written record by and about the relationship with God.our physical and spiritual ancestors had. The Bible is a God inspired tool designed to bring us into relationship with the "Living Word" rather than bring us into relationship with a Paper Pope.
"When I look at Paul, I don't see so much of him having some individual-based special authority. I think it's more along the lines of following God's word on things. It's the same authority all believers in Christ share. I do believe he was a chosen vessel, but he's sharing what he knows about God's plan. We can all be a chosen vessel and we should all be ministers in one form or another."
>Agreed; Paul is sharing his exegesis on OT Scripture in light of Jesus. However, is it authoritative? <
"When I read Paul's writings, I don't know that he proclaimed anything that was "out in space", and much of it is referenced in the OT, including the Torah."
> The proximity of Paul's teachings are currently not the question, only the authority others apply to them <
"If something originates from God as the primary source, then it's not my place to have a problem with it, but to try to understand it better."
> It is your place to question if it originates with God. I don't see the teaching that Paul's authority supersedes Jesus as originating with God.<
Satanic **LIE** by chuckles:Satanic **LIE** by chuckles on page 9 of Post "WHAT IS THE BIBLE**
"Paul was called before the Council of Jerusalem for his reported **MISCONDUCT**."????
chuckles: You should be very careful about knowingly lying about God's word which may be an unpardonable
sin!
chuckles then claimed on page 10 of post **WHAT IS THE BIBLE: **That this **MISCONDUCT BY PAUL* was found in Acts 15:22-27:
Acts 15:22-27: Then the apostles and elders with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas called Barsabbas and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers. To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings: We have heard that some went out from us **WITHOUT OUR AUTHORIZATION** and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. So we all agreed to chose some men and send them to you with our **DEAR FRIENDS BARNABAS AND PAUL**--men who have **RISKED THEIR LIVES** for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing.
However anyone can clearly see there was no **MISCONDUCT BY PAUL** as you claimed in the above Scripture!!
chuckles claims that Moses had authority to make God's commandments. Whereas Paul did not have this authority. However God's Word states that **NEITHER MOSES OR PAUL HAS THIS AUTHORITY**
2 Peter 1:20,21: Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about the prophets own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though *HUMAN* {Like Moses and Paul} spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit!
Acts 9:15: The Lord said to Ananias, "This man{Paul} is My **CHOSEN INSTRUMENT**to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.
Acts 26:16-18: The Lord said to Paul, " I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and **AS A WITNESS OF **WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND WILL SEE OF ME! I will rescue from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in Me!"
2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL ALSO WROTE WITH THE WISDOM THAT GOD GAVE HIM**! He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {For the Lost}. which IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT {Like chuckles}, as they do other Scriptures to **THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION**!
Right, but either something comes from God or it doesn't. If it does, then that's as far as we need to go with authority. It doesn't matter who said it if God stated it as His Truth already. Our place in it is how we choose to react.
I don't think of Paul as someone who was overly zealous. He had a major change in his life that was contradictory to what he previously believed. I say good on him for being a missionary and getting the Word out there. I have no doubt that he took his place seriously.
"Right, but either something comes from God or it doesn't"
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I have to disagree on this statement. All creation originates with God. What God originates is good, but is typically perverted by man. (Yet even this is allowed by God).
The Law given through Moses originated with God and was good. Yet it was perverted by religious leaders who changed it (without changing it) into something God did not approve of.
Sending Jesus originated with God and was good. Yet there are still religious leaders who pervert the teachings of Jesus through doctrine and interpretation into something God does not approve of.
Paul originating with God is a moot point. If the two greatest influential people in the Bible who originated with God are twisted through traditions and doctrine into something they are not. Shouldn't we take a close look at what is being done with the writings of Paul?
Anyone who opposes Paul is logically opposed to Moses and Jesus.
Paul nowhere contradicts either Jesus or Moses or any other part of God’s entire word.
People who oppose Paul do so with the exact identical sinful attitude as those who opposed Moses.
People who oppose Paul do so with the exact identical sinful attitude as those who opposed Jesus.
NOTE: please note from scripture.
Those who opposed Jesus are said to have decorated and “honored” the tombs of the prophets. They even claimed they would have the prophets if they were alive then. They even boost about how they “honored” Moses.
Is it any wonder that those who oppose Paul would now suddenly feign respect for Jesus and Moses??
But see what Jesus says:
CAUTION: JESUS USES LANGUAGE NOT CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE TO SOME SINNERS
Matthew23
29Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous. 30And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your fathers. 33You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of hell?
Jesus says in
John 5:46
If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.
Jesus also says about Paul
Acts 9
15“Go!” said the Lord. “This man is My chosen instrument to carry My name before the Gentiles and their kings, and before the people of Israel. 16I will show him how much he must suffer for My name.
WE EITHER BELIEVE JESUS OR WE DONT. There’s no middle ground
But we have not right to pretend we respect either Jesus or Moses when we refuse to believe them
"2 Peter 1:20,21: Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about the prophets own interpretation of things."
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Prophecy is different than Authority. A prophet may have the authority to speak for God. But a prophet does not have the authority to write new precedents (Case Law).
