It has been my experience that the answer is no. We all know and understand that HaShem is order, and that all things that truly show His Light and Love are as well. I ask that if you can't follow the simple request placed before you, please don't post on this thread.
Any debate on the Laws of HaShem, goes off the deep end, with passage after passage being posted. In just one post we may find as many as 15 if not more. This is an unproductive way to handle this, or any topic. As it can leave any one wishing to reply, with little option, Leave a post that is pages long, or leave a vague post filled with even more passages and little substance. This is what leads to endless debate with no answers, as well talking in circles.
For this reason, it is always best to look at ONLY ONE PASSAGE at a time. Now once that passage is called up, Both sides must look at it from both sides. i.e. Be ready and willing to argue the points you don't follow.
If the only thing we do is push one side of a topic, we fail to really look at the other side, and in most cases, fail to even hear the other side. So here is my propose, it is open to every one that truly wishes to open their hearts and minds to TRUTH. Not my truth, not your truth, and not your churches truth. Rather BIBLICAL TRUTH.
As almost all study of OT vs NT is centered around the Law of HaShem, (Know here after as TORAH) the first thing that must be found is, "How valid is Torah today?" Not an easy answer for many.
So here we go.
When it comes to Torah, the one passage that comes up more than other is Mat. 5:17. So lets look closely at this passage.
(NLT) Mat 5:17 “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.
(KJ same passage) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
One must always take note of the passage opening. Here we are told not to think that something is Yeshua's reason for coming. From that we are safe to say that anything that follows, (until a change of topic) is what we shouldn't see as coming topass. After all He just THINK NOT, or in my words, (Don't put words in my mouth, or forget the important words I use.)
So let's do a full brake down of this passage. Looking at from both sides.
First we have THINK NOT, or Don't misunderstand. Both give the same thought behind the words. Just tell us not to entertain the idea that Yeshua came to do any of the following. So what is it he didn't come to do?
(KJ ) I am come to destroy the laws or the prophets:
(NLT) I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets.
If we read this passage for what it tells us, rather than what we wish it to say, we find that the Torah, and the Prophets are placed together. From this one should conclude that they work together, and we can not remove one from this passage with any hope of keeping the whole context of the passage.
Also, if we remove any part of this, then apply the new contextual meaning to the full passage, as well as any that may follow, do we not teach a lie, based on what we hope is true? SO any teaching on this passage must hold true to both Torah and prophets. With this understanding, one must walk carefully. If we say Yeshua removed the Law, nailed it to the cross, and so on, We also say that He has removed the prophecies that have not been fulfilled. Like His second coming, Judgment of all man kind, and many others.
(KJ) I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
(NLT) No, I came to accomplish their purpose
Now the most common word to be pushed by them that stand in opposition to Torah is the word FULFILL. So lets take a look at that word.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fulfill Has this to say.
a : to put into effect : execute He fulfilled his pledge to cut taxes.
b : to meet the requirements of (a business order) Their order for more TVs was promptly fulfilled.
c : to measure up to : satisfy She hasn't yet fulfilled the requirements needed to graduate.
d : to bring to an end she came to install herself and fulfill her time at the house— Willa Cather
2a : to develop the full potentialities of He has a lot of talent, but he hasn't really fulfilled his potential.
b : to convert into reality a sense of the failure of life to fulfill its ultimate expectations— Leslie Rees
3 archaic : to make full : fill her subtle, warm, and golden breath … fulfills him with beatitude— Alfred Tennyson
Now in this we find both sides, we find that it can mean to being to an end, yet we must ask, has it all been brought to an end? Are we wrong to say Yeshua will be coming back? After all He has brought to an end the Prophets, then that would also mean all prophecy has been fulfilled, or removed as they no longer hold meaning. i.e. there is no need for them.
Yet if we now look at this from a more contextual view, we know He must return for the WORD to hold truth. After all if any part of what the WORD tells us is not true, then we place our salvation in the hands of sin. Just saying.
We also know from the fact that Yeshua must come again, we must understand that He is still working to FULFILL scripture.
On the flip side.
At best I can here, so I leave something our please let me know.
This passage is clear that Jesus FULFILLED the Law, nailed it the cross, and removed it. He know that man kind can not live up to it's standards, and that to be held to that standard would leave us all devoid of hope. The passage is clear in that it tells us Jesus removed law. As is clear in your own use of Webster.
""""""""I don't use modern translations as a whole for study in my home. Hope that makes sense.""""""""
We will need to get back to the feast, however there is one point I wish to make in regard to study. The more translations one uses, the better their odds of seeing any misstep in translation. As we just seen, the word Friday id only in one translation, as well as the word easter only being in one. Any time we find a word that seems a bit odd, a word study would be in order. More on that topic when we get to it as the main point of conversation.
Next we find the feast of First fruits. This feast comes on the day after the Sabbath of unleavened bread. This offering can't be given today, as the Temple is not standing. Yet it is with pray, and keeping the spirit of the feast in ones heart, that we can fulfill it's keeping.
Many will say Jesus fulfilled that feast and we no longer need to keep it. Besides this feast isn't named in the NT, so it has no hold on us today.
Flip side
Yeshua fulfilled this feast in that He became the first fruits of His labor. Even though we can say for sure that Yeshua wasn't raised on the day after the Sabbath of Unleavened bread. That by account of Biblical teaching, would have been on a Friday, yet Yeshua was in the ground for another full day. So how did that fulfill this feast? One can't harvest until all the work is done, and the crop has became rip. Yeshua had to be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights. At this point He was ripe so to speak.
Paul points this all out here,
1Co 15:20
But in fact, Christ has been raised from the dead. He is the first of a great harvest of all who have died.
Lets see if anyone ask the one question that always shows up.
That would be the Sabbath that comes on the first day of Unleavened bread. Please note that I don't count Passover as a day of the feast of unleavened bread. Some however do.
Passover was part of the ceremonial law wasn't it? So that means it was nailed to the cross because Y'shua is our passover lamb so we don't observe the passover except as a memorial then.
What I determine concerning first fruits is that the resurrection of Christ was a demonstration of faith in the future resurrection thereby Jehovah blessing the rest of the "harvest".
"""""""Passover was part of the ceremonial law wasn't it? So that means it was nailed to the cross because Y'shua is our passover lamb so we don't observe the passover except as a memorial then."""""""""
Please give me the scripture that tells us Passover was nailed to the cross.
Then you said
"""""""""What I determine concerning first fruits is that the resurrection of Christ was a demonstration of faith in the future resurrection thereby Jehovah blessing the rest of the "harvest""""""
Yeshua was the the first fruits of the harvest. Though some do see it in the manner you put forward, the truth is the truth is that His resurrection had little to do with showing us faith, and everything to do with showing us what faith can do. By keeping Passover, we show obedience to HaShem. As to what we hold in our hearts in our time of observance, that is more often determined by how we see and understand the feast as a whole.
Please give me the scripture that tells us Passover was nailed to the cross.
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You asked for scripture, but what about the fact that there was the moral law.. Let's call it Law no. 1...The Royal law, then the Law that was put into place for breaking the first one . Law no. 2...
So, if a man sinned he broke Law no. 1 (Royal law-10 commandments)
Sin is the transgression of the moral law .
Law no. 2 was established for a remedy for sin in the ceremonial/sacrificial law which must be obeyed.
the true Passover Lamb bowed His head and died and cried out, "It is finished", the old Ceremonial law that pointed the people to His sacrificial death was nailed to the cross. Jesus is now the permanent remedy for when we break LAW No. 1.
When He died on the cross of Calvary, the veil of the great temple curtain was torn from top to bottom, to signify that the entire ceremonial system was forever finished. No longer do the priests need offer up sacrifices
Colossians 2:14 reads, "blotting out the handwriting (has to be Moses handwriting) of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross."
The obvious differences between the Ten Commandments and the ordinances of the ceremonial law are that the Commandments were written by God's finger, were written in stone and were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant and it is a law of love which is eternal as love is eternal as God is and is why we were created. The ordinances were in Moses handwriting, were written in a book and were placed on the outside of the Ark of the Covenant and it is NOT a law of love and was temporary.
All the various Holy days and festivals being spoken of involved days that took place at various times of the year as well as yearly Holy days such as the Day of Atonement -Yom Kippur and monthly such as the New Moon celebrations . As these were all a shadow of things to come and those things have past and the shadows are now gone, to still observe these days would be putting us back into unnecessary bondage. This is what Paul is talking about in Galatians 4:9-10 which says, "But now, after that you have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn you again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days, and months, and times, and years." Paul is obviously and definitely not saying you can just simply ignore anything that is a day, month or year in the Bible. He is referring to something in Galatians 4:10 that includes all of these things, which is and can only be the ceremonial law.
Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat [offerings], or in drink [offerings], or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"
Now switch to the OT:
Ezekiel 45:17 "And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, [holydays] and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel."
Blottng out 1813
G1813 ex-al-i'-fo From G1537 and G218; to smear out, that is, obliterate (erase tears, figuratively pardon sin): - blot out, wipe away.
Of ordinances 1378
G1378 dog'-mah From the base of G1380; a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical): - decree, ordinance.
It seeems that you have found there are no passages to back the idea that Passover was removed. So I am just going to place the passages you did give in both historical, and cultural context.
First keep in mind that Paul keep the Torah as best he could as is found in
Acts 21:26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
Please keep in mind that not many can answer this question. If Paul was teaching against the keeping of Torah why would he take part in any sacrifice, or take a vow that has it's roots in the Torah?
Now to address your passages.
Colossians 2:14 reads, "blotting out the handwriting (has to be Moses handwriting) of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross."
As I said before, Paul; didn't have the NT to teach from, and just as today, if one teaches against what the Word tells us, that person shouldn't be listened to, would you agree? It is with that one must understand Paul, as well as the whole of the Word.
So lets place this in context with the full text rather than remove any part to fit our wants.
Col 2:13
You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins.
Once a person looks at the passage that came before the one you posted, it becomes clear that this isn't about doing away with Law, rather bloating out all record of ones sin. Sin the by a Biblical definition, would not be counted if the re was no law against what ever your sin may have been if the Law was still being enforced.
If we remove all traffic laws, and you got a ticket for speeding, would you have to pay that fine? NO. Why? There is no law to say it was wrong, with no law no crime was committed. Yeshua did cancel the debt we owe for sin, as we simply can't pay that on our won.
""""""" This is what Paul is talking about in Galatians 4:9-10 which says, "But now, after that you have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn you again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days, and months, and times, and years." Paul is obviously and definitely not saying you can just simply ignore anything that is a day, month or year in the Bible. He is referring to something in Galatians 4:10 that includes all of these things, which is and can only be the ceremonial law."""""
Please back up and read verse 8
Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
When one first places this passage in context, they find Paul speaking not of Torah, rather of idolatry. To skip past a passage to make a point removes the true meaning of what is being talked about, as well it's interned reasoning.
When one turns to the OT they would do well to have an understanding of what they use. With that in mind, Ezekiel was simply reinforcing Torah, and nothing more. If you will look at Lev. 23:1-44 you will find what we are looking at. If you will please stay within the the confinds of the TOPIC at hand, this will move much faster and smoother. As you have lead this topic back to things covered in early post, please stay on topic. I will not run in circles like a dog chasing it's tail.
I understand that at lest a pert of this was on topic, and that the rest does seem to fall under the same topic. That is why I addressed it. However if we stay the course you are setting, it will be one big circle, after another. How do I know this? Been there before, got the tee-shirt and burned it.
