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Admin	Why Calvinism Exists..... (in 10 seconds or less) Posted : 20 Apr, 2011 05:12 PM The invention of the printing press put Bibles into the hands of common man for the first time in all of history. People quickly discovered the Catholic Church's teachings were not in line with the Bible. When the Catholic Church refused to align it self with the Bible the people protested, thus was born the Prostestant Movement. Some in the New movement feared the Bible in the hands of the common uneducated man combined with freedom from the Catholic Church authority would result in various heresies. These people were known as the Reformers, thus was born the Reformation Movement. Reformers felt they needed to standardize the teachings of the Bible, more or less "Reforming the Catholic Church's teachings" to align with the Bible to avoid people interpreting the Bible for themselves. To do this they drew on the writings of Augustine, Calvin and others, thus producing the Doctrines of Grace and Reformation Theology. In light of history, I am of the opinion that Reformation Theology is exactly what the name suggests; a 'Reformed Catholic Church' which in reality makes us Reformers and Protestants, instead as the Calvinist suggests; Calvinists and Arminians. This really tickles me cause it makes so many things about their behavior towards doctrine and Church histoy make sense to me. You know what I mean? Post Reply
View Profile History	Why Calvinism Exists..... (in 10 seconds or less) Posted : 20 Apr, 2011 06:00 PM I knew growing up catholic and being baptized as a child had nothing to do with being a christian no more than being of reformed theology can make you a christian, as a matter of fact it is impossible to obtain life based on lies. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why Calvinism Exists..... (in 10 seconds or less) Posted : 20 Apr, 2011 06:00 PM This doesn't at all address the scriptures where the doctrines of grace are formed. again you make it all about man. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why Calvinism Exists..... (in 10 seconds or less) Posted : 20 Apr, 2011 06:07 PM "no more than being of reformed theology can make you a christian" It's rare you will find anyone that believes this is what makes a person become a Christian Post Reply
View Profile History	Why Calvinism Exists..... (in 10 seconds or less) Posted : 20 Apr, 2011 06:10 PM Also you fail to account for those that believed in monergism before Calvin and the others. Please account for them, then see if your post makes any sense. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why Calvinism Exists..... (in 10 seconds or less) Posted : 20 Apr, 2011 06:16 PM LSU posted: "Also you fail to account for those that believed in monergism before Calvin and the others. Please account for them, then see if your post makes any sense." -------------------- They were Catholic Post Reply
View Profile History	Why Calvinism Exists..... (in 10 seconds or less) Posted : 20 Apr, 2011 06:18 PM James replies: Well, at least someone on the group is finally talking about Christian history. I consider that an improvement! That is good Twosparrows that you are trying to do a nutshell statement on the Reformation. Here is one from a historian concerning what the Reformation was about: "It is wrong to suppose that the doctrine of justification by faith alone, that storm center of the Reformation, was the crucial question in the minds of such theologians as Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli, Martin Bucer, and John Calvin. This doctrine was important to the Reformers because it helped to express and to safeguard their answer to another, more vital, question, namely, whether sinners are wholly helpless in their sin, and whether God is to be thought of as saving them by free, unconditional, invincible grace, not only justifying them for Christ's sake when they come to faith, but also raising them from the death of sin by His quickening Spirit in order to bring them to faith." - Michael Haykin Notice that not only Justification by faith alone was the thing they all discovered the Bible taught, but also that fallen mankind was utterly unable to repent and trust in Jesus unless the Holy Spirit made them come alive spiritually. They ALL AGREED on this. So, yes, you could say that the five points of doctrine nicknamed "Calvinism" are once again known to the Christian, because Not only did God have the Printing press invented at that time, but it was crucial, because Luther had the courage to stand up for what the Bible said, and translated it into the language of the common man for the first time in almost a thousand years! The Early Christians did have the Bible, and the books of the Bible were FREELY read and passed around. The Roman Catholic church started going bad about 450AD and eventually had the Bible written ONLY in Latin, and only Priests and monks were allowed to have a Bible. So the Papists took the Bible away, and God raised up Luther and the printing press at the exact same moment in time! And because of MANY Christians courage, YOU AND I, can read the Bible anytime we like! Praise God! In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	Why Calvinism Exists..... (in 10 seconds or less) Posted : 20 Apr, 2011 06:19 PM Haha those that believed in the agreed with the doctrines of grace scripturally were Catholics? Post Reply
View Profile History	Why Calvinism Exists..... (in 10 seconds or less) Posted : 20 Apr, 2011 06:22 PM LSU posted: "This doesn't at all address the scriptures where the doctrines of grace are formed. again you make it all about man." -------------------- The Doctrines of Grace are formed out of interpretation of Scripture, not Scripture. The Doctrines of Grace use Scripture to arrive at a logical systematically derived theology. LSU, how can you honestly say any thing else? Post Reply
View Profile History	Why Calvinism Exists..... (in 10 seconds or less) Posted : 20 Apr, 2011 06:35 PM LSU posted: Haha those that believed in the agreed with the doctrines of grace scripturally were Catholics? ----------------- Yes, many were and sought to reform the Catholic Church from within, of course they weren't called the Doctrines of Grace then, which I would assume you realize, since some were contemporaries of Calvin or lived before Him. The Doctrines of Grace came later at the Synod of Dort and Tulip came even later. What is wrong Ryan, didn't you realize you are a Reformed Catholic? ...Lol Post Reply
View Profile History	Why Calvinism Exists..... (in 10 seconds or less) Posted : 20 Apr, 2011 06:37 PM Ryan and James there is no personal attack upon you, but there is the responsibility to expose and condemn , all teaching outside of the word God as Calvinism is 100 %. Post Reply

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