When one asks why God rejected Esau, one needs to ask reject from what? Did God reject Esau from Himself?... No, the Bible says God blessed Esau and made his offspring into a great people. When God chose one in the womb, it was a choice to whom's offspring would be the people of God through whom the Messiah of all men would come.
God chose Jacob in whose unborn loins was the nation Israel.
The word "hate" in this passage should be taken the same way as when Jesus says you must hate your own family to follow Him. Do you reject your family as family?... No, however the are not even close to being as important as Jesus.
I personally feel this is a Old Testament Prophesy that Paul used to illustrate a point very few understand. Some people even go so far as to say this applies to you and every individual, that God either Loves or Hates you before you were born and there is nothing you can do about it.
Doesn't sound like the Gospel I read in the Bible, in fact it sounds like "another gospel"
Good question! God has chosen a people for Himself, a remnant out of all mankind.
God has the right to do with His creation as He pleases.
The section you are reading that verse from goes on to say:
"What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy"
I think the amazing thing is not that he rejected Esau, but that He CHOSE to love Jacob!!
We are ALL sinners, who DESERVE HELL.
God KNEW that Jacob would sin against Him, and yet he endured it, and chose to save Jacob anyway.
If God would have saved no one, then He would still be just.
God COULD have decided to save everyone, and Jesus' death on the cross COULD have been for everyone, but God decided to save SOME. Now that "some" is perhaps a billion people.
God rejected Esau, because He chose to. We don't know why God has shown mercy to one person and not another.
All we know for certain is, it is NOT because He saw they would have faith, etc.
Because Romans 9 tells us that it was BEFORE the twins had done anything good or bad. And that is was only because of God's choice.
This is so important because as Christians we NEED to appreciate that God HAS shown US mercy!!! We don't deserve it, and if we were left on our own, ALL of us would be in Hell or on our way there right now!
Praise God for showing me, a wicked sinner, Mercy that is beyond what I can even know right now!!!
I am not a Christian because I had some hidden good in me, I am ONLY saved because of the GRACE and MERCY of God.
ah i thought i smelled the foul stench of "cologne de TULIP" in the air sigh
"God rejected Esau, because He chose to. We don't know why God has shown mercy to one person and not another"
Acts 10:34 tells us that God is "no respecter of persons," and Acts 10:35 continues, "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."
God loves everyone, He chooses to have a relationship only with those who choose to fear Him and covet a relationship with Him. To demonstrate God�s heart for everyone, according to Ezekiel 33:11, He pleads with those who rejected Him to return. This is what He said:
"...As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live
"What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy"
i can't see God who is longsuffering that none should perish "handpicking" some for salvation some to destruction--this applies too esau & jacob
God didn't force easu to hock off his birth right rather easu chose via his "limited freewill" to do so --why do calvinists erroneously keep thinking we are some kind of mindless stringed puppet automtons is beyond me *shrugs*
"God rejected Esau, because He chose to. We don't know why God has shown mercy to one person and not another"
RSVP said:
Acts 10:34 tells us that God is "no respecter of persons," and Acts 10:35 continues, "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."
James replies:
True, God saves people from ALL nations, and tribes and tongues and not only that God saves all CLASSES of people, some rich, some poor, etc. So it IS true that God is no respecter of persons.
rsvp said:
God loves everyone, He chooses to have a relationship only with those who choose to fear Him and covet a relationship with Him. To demonstrate God�s heart for everyone, according to Ezekiel 33:11, He pleads with those who rejected Him to return. This is what He said:
"...As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live
James replies:
God shows love to everyone, by giving them blessings of life.
Music, food, friends, etc. But God loves ONLY His elect when it comes to salvation.
God does NOT choose to love people who choose to love Him.
NO ONE since the Fall, has the ability to repent and trust in Jesus. God chooses whom he will show mercy on, just like it says in Romans 9.
"What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy"
RSVP said:
i can't see God who is longsuffering that none should perish "handpicking" some for salvation some to destruction--this applies too esau & jacob
James replies:
God chooses to save some and passover others. I personally can't see God saving anyone of us, because of our sins against Him, but The Bible says that He does.
rsvp continues:
God didn't force easu to hock off his birth right rather easu chose via his "limited freewill" to do so --why do calvinists erroneously keep thinking we are some kind of mindless stringed puppet automtons is beyond me *shrugs*
James replies:
We are far from robots. What the Bible does say is that because of The Fall, Mankind died spiritually, and that sin effected every PART of His being, INCLUDING His will.
Because of this, man is UNABLE to repent and trust in Jesus.
ALL people have a will, and choose to do all kinds of things, but that will is enslaved to sin, and will NEVER choose to repent and trust in Jesus.
We are not robots, we are FALLEN men, with wills enslaved to sin.
Because of this, man is UNABLE to repent and trust in Jesus.
ALL people have a will, and choose to do all kinds of things, but that will is enslaved to sin, and will NEVER choose to repent and trust in Jesus.
I say:
piece of cake to refute this in two verses according to Romans 10:9,10 we are ABLE to repent to Christ
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
down to verse 13 For �whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved
there's nothing "qualified" about the "whomever" Strong's G3739 - hos --pronoun
see what happens when one "rightly divde's The Word of truth" 2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
ya get false doctrine like calvinsim tossed off the salvation map :):)
Btw, you know who god you describe sounds like? >>since jame's won't answer i will
let pull an arnold horseshack :waving: ""ooo oooh oo oooh i got the answer mr. kotter"
author of confusion!! "X get's the square & the win" as that other 70's icon peter marshall of the Hollywood Square's used to say
i kinda get the impression that calvinists have God violating His immutable Holy sovereignty & forcing man to sin so He can dilberately send us to the lake of fire--to prove it in a recent debate i actually heard some calvies interput Exodus 7:3 to literally mean that God hardend Pharohs heart
"And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt"
yet James 1:13 state's
" Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man"
:Mug::Mug: i'll toast to that 1 Pet 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy
