Author	Thread: WHO IS DRAWN: Jn 6:45
Admin	WHO IS DRAWN: Jn 6:45 Posted : 9 Apr, 2011 03:31 PM Who is it that is drawn in verse 45? What is one way this person is drawn? Post Reply
View Profile History	WHO IS DRAWN: Jn 6:45 Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 12:04 PM Well in verse 45, it was the believers that were drawn. Post Reply
View Profile History	WHO IS DRAWN: Jn 6:45 Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 12:20 PM It is those that came to the lord and believed on the lord and believed, that where drawn Some teach it as they are regenerated, then comes faith, that will never happen Ryan. Post Reply
View Profile History	WHO IS DRAWN: Jn 6:45 Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 12:49 PM You asked who the verse was referring to. I said the believing. If you really want to get into it, that verse says nothing about how they came to belief. However in the context you do see that those that come in faith are those who were already given to Christ by the Father. Yes, those were given to the father are the ones who will eventually come. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. I'm curious as to your motives PJ. You asked who were draw. I answered and you decided to tell me what would never happen, which just happens to be something you cannot even conclude from the verse you gave. Post Reply
View Profile History	WHO IS DRAWN: Jn 6:45 Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 01:08 PM There is no motive Ryan but those that believe are to expose the lie of reformed theology. I am well aware of what that context teaches and it is the very opposite of what Calvinist teach. Jn 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father�s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. 42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? 43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Post Reply
View Profile History	WHO IS DRAWN: Jn 6:45 Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 01:11 PM You posted the verses as did I. You didn't however show how it teaches the opposite of reformed theology. I know you don't agree with reformed theology and that's fine, but don't just say the verses teach the opposite if they don't. Post Reply
View Profile History	WHO IS DRAWN: Jn 6:45 Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 01:17 PM well you meditate on it and ask the lord to show you, it was he that told me the other day to post it as such, it is how the whole kingdom of God operates. The problem is Ryan when one accepts a lie they will continue to see the lie, if you desire the truth the lord will open your eyes of your spirit. Post Reply
View Profile History	WHO IS DRAWN: Jn 6:45 Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 01:21 PM Or you could specifically show how the verses teach against reformed theology. Post Reply
View Profile History	WHO IS DRAWN: Jn 6:45 Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 01:44 PM Ryan I know and you know, you would not agree, why do you resist the lord. You see to me he has always been Jesus and he always talks to me, and enlightens me, he loves calvinist but hates the lies of calvinism because they keep people from him. He does not give me hunches, I know his voice. The whole kingdom Of God operates on the truths revealed in the parable of the sower. Guess what Calvinism opposes? Post Reply
View Profile History	WHO IS DRAWN: Jn 6:45 Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 02:03 PM PJ - Ryan I know and you know, you would not agree, why do you resist the lord. Ryan - Sorry that is not good enough. You posted verses and stated they taught against reformed theology. I showed how they do not. If you wish to show how they do, I would welcome it. Post Reply
View Profile History	WHO IS DRAWN: Jn 6:45 Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 02:20 PM I have never seen a Calvinist agree with scripture,never. Ryan if you want to get the last word Go ahead, I am done with the strife. I encourage you to do as I said to you, ask the lord, it is not hard, Post Reply

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