Thread: Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
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Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 15 Mar, 2011 03:10 PM
The following can be found on the third page of this forum, and on the last page of the "For Whom did Christ Die?" thread. Of all the debates with the Calvinistic views we've had going on here, I have to say that this post literally turned my stomach. I find it difficult to believe that a professing Christian can be so void of the love that is supposed to set us apart from the world. My mind cannot fathom the belief of one who can deny the power of the Cross of Jesus Christ and be glad that it's power does not reach all sinners, as if it were the size of the sin that is the determining factor here instead of the size of the atoning sacrifice of Christ.
"Why I am Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived.
The Reason I am glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived is because of the extreme EVIL that some people have committed their entire lives. I remember being a member of First Baptist, and a team of doctors came in, and presented a detailed medical opinion of what Jesus went through BEFORE, and during His crucifixion. Using the Scriptural data, they concluded that Jesus SHOULD have died BEFORE He got to the cross! Jesus was whipped with a device that killed people regularly. He was whipped by a man who did this all the time and was skilled at it. They beat him, and did all manner of terrible things to Him, and this was for HOURS before He was crucified.
When I think of the EVIL that Pol Pot, and Mao, and Stalin, and Hitler have done.....when I think of the EVIL of murdering kings, and warlords, of Pedophiles, of people who did their utmost to trample and hurt other people all their lives........... I am GLAD that Jesus did NOT die for them.
Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and without Him, I would be in Hell right this moment. His life was perfect, and he ALWAYS did the right thing, and He died a horrible death to pay for the sins of His people. That is bad enough, because even the people Jesus died for have sinned many, many times.
But some people on this Earth, are just so evil, that I am GLAD Jesus did not die for them."
For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: -Galatians 1:13
Did God forget to tell Paul of Tarsus, who was a murderer of the Church of God "beyond measure", that although He was mightily used of God, Jesus did not die for him? Was Paul any more or less lost than we were without Christ? Can lost be measured? Is it ever the amount of man's sin that makes salvation possible or impossible? Or is one more dead in their sins than another?
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: -Isaiah 59:1
Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him? -Job 40:9
Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 15 Mar, 2011 04:06 PM
71,
The only thing I don't like about what you have done here is, that you did not clearly draw a line between what I said, and what you said.
At the end the reader gets no notice of when I stopped writing and you started.
And just so you know.....
Arminianism was declared a heresy by the churches during the Reformation. The followers of James Arminius came to the churches with their five points, and they were examined, and rejected and formally declared heresy.
Now, If you haven't noticed by now, I have never called any Arminian a heretic, and PhillipJohn, and YOU, and TwoSparrows, and Chevy, etc, etc, have ALL insulted me over and over.
Now, you are saying that Because I am glad that Jesus did not die for Hitler and Mao, and Pol Pot, and Stalin, that it
"turns your stomach"???
Well, let me tell you how I feel about what you have written....
It makes me sad. Sad, because instead of growing up and embracing the infinitely Holy God, you instead prefer a god who will only do and say things that will fit on a hallmark card.
Sad that you put your emotions BEFORE the text of the Bible.
You act like running around telling everyone that "Jesus loves you" is the way Christians are supposed to share the Gospel, when in fact the Apostles never did that.
I am sad that even though I have posted on the love of God, and his mercy towards the BILLION or so people who sin against him, that it is not enough for you.
I am beginning to wonder if you are universalist. Because believe me, THEY are totally emotionally driven to the point of even denying that Hell exists.
So, when I read your writing, it does not "turn my stomach". it just makes me sad.
Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 15 Mar, 2011 04:31 PM
Shared ~ Now, If you haven't noticed by now, I have never called any Arminian a heretic, and PhillipJohn, and YOU, and TwoSparrows, and Chevy, etc, etc, have ALL insulted me over and over.
*** No you haven't called any a Heretic...BUT...you have called Everyone here a Arminian which means just that to you...especially when they dont buy into your Calvinistic Theolgy & Doctrine...even me James...:rolleyes:...
You might not use the word Heretic...BUT...your verbage laced with Honey with bites of Vinegar purty much says it all...and thats just my observation and opinion...which dont make no nevermind to anyone on here...jus sayin...xo
Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 15 Mar, 2011 05:06 PM
James wrote - "The only thing I don't like about what you have done here is, that you did not clearly draw a line between what I said, and what you said. At the end the reader gets no notice of when I stopped writing and you started."
What you wrote begins and ends with "quotation marks".
James wrote - "And just so you know..... Arminianism was declared a heresy by the churches during the Reformation. The followers of James Arminius came to the churches with their five points, and they were examined, and rejected and formally declared heresy."
Truthfully, I know nothing of Arminianism. I have never read any writings by them, have no desire to, and don't declare any association with their beliefs or with them as far as doctrine goes. If it so happens that some of my beliefs go along with what they write, it's nothing more than coincidence.
James wrote - "Now, If you haven't noticed by now, I have never called any Arminian a heretic, and PhillipJohn, and YOU, and TwoSparrows, and Chevy, etc, etc, have ALL insulted me over and over."
I don't keep score of who says what to who in regards to insults. I'm sure we've all insulted one another at one time.
James wrote - "Now, you are saying that Because I am glad that Jesus did not die for Hitler and Mao, and Pol Pot, and Stalin, that it "turns your stomach"???"
Yes. Not only does it make you sound self-righteous, you continue to limit and/or deny God's saving grace, the power of the Cross for all, your total lack of concern with the sinners soul, and you're glad about it. Glad that the Blood of Christ didn't pour out for such sinners. Glad they're going to Hell. So, yeah. It turns my stomach and makes me sick. How can you call yourself a child of God and at the same time be glad that certain sinners are damned to eternal destruction and be so happy that Jesus didn't die for them?
James wrote - "Well, let me tell you how I feel about what you have written.... It makes me sad. Sad, because instead of growing up and embracing the infinitely Holy God, you instead prefer a god who will only do and say things that will fit on a hallmark card. Sad that you put your emotions BEFORE the text of the Bible."
Interesting that Scripture tells us God is love, and because I believe that, you accuse me of not embracing a Holy God and try and pull the Hallmark thing with me and accuse me of putting my emotions before Scripture. Check it out James.... God says, "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." Love doesn't boast about how Jesus died for James and James is so glad Jesus didn't die for those notorious sinners. Sounds like Pharisee speak. Maybe it is you who doesn't embrace a Holy God. Can't say you'd qualify for a Hallmark card though. Maybe the warning label on a bottle of bleach.
James wrote - "You act like running around telling everyone that "Jesus loves you" is the way Christians are supposed to share the Gospel, when in fact the Apostles never did that."
No, that's not true. But if you can't love, how can you say you are of God? And we can't say the Apostles never shared the love of Christ. Paul wrote an entire chapter on love. Jude told us, "And of some have compassion, making a difference:"
James wrote - "I am sad that even though I have posted on the love of God, and his mercy towards the BILLION or so people who sin against him, that it is not enough for you."
No, it's not the amount of people that are saved, but the limit you put on the Cross. You limit the sacrifice of Christ. You limit God's love. You change the nature of God and the atoning sacrifice of Christ by denying those things to mankind. And you have been shown Scripture stating that Christ died for all.
James wrote - "I am beginning to wonder if you are universalist. Because believe me, THEY are totally emotionally driven to the point of even denying that Hell exists."
No, I am not a universalist. They believe everyone gets saved, right? I believe atonement is for all, as Scripture says, but not all will be saved because not all will accept the free gift that is offered to all. And because I believe that we are to love one another as Scripture demands, and I attribute to God love, and because I find it repulsive that you deny the world His love, this makes me totally emotionally driven? Whatever...
Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 15 Mar, 2011 05:54 PM
Romans 14 vs 4 : Who are you to judge another servant? To his own master he stands or falls.
Did you ever notice how God judges evil. Someone mentioned evil in this thread like perversion and stuff. Here's an interesting scripture, Jesus sends out the twelve- Mark 6 vs 10 thtru 12:
10: Also He said to them, :In whatever place you enter a house, stay there till you depart from that place.
11: "and whoever will not receive you nor hear you , when you depart from there , shake off the dust from under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgement than for that city.
And again in Matt 11 vs 23 : "And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
24 : " But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgement than for you.
One tends to think of Sodom as being very evil, yet the cities that rejected the disciples messsage will be judged even harsher. Or as Abraham Lincoln said , don't pray that God is on our side rather pray that we are on God's side.
Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 15 Mar, 2011 06:46 PM
Jude,
I think you are right. And I am certainly far from perfect in what I write on this group.
However, PhillipJohn has started several threads for the express purpose of complaining about me, and saying I am a false teacher, and teaching "doctrines of demons", etc, and Now 71 is taking my words from another thread and using that to start a new thread!
How about threads on something that pertains to Scripture and not
"Can you believe so and so believes this, they are so disgusting!"
Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 15 Mar, 2011 07:08 PM
James What you believe and what scripture teaches are night and day, so what I say is always based on scripture, I am not one for opinion, or theory's based on man's opinion's.
When I say Calvinism is a doctrine of Demons, that is exactly what I mean, and it is exactly what scripture tells us to do, that is to mark those that conduct yourself as you do.
Ro 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
James if you so desire i can show you the error in everything calvinism teaches, and nothing out of it is of faith, so it cannot produce faith to the hearer, it's primary purpose is to put people in a stupor that they will do nothing.
I am very capable of teaching and I have to expose all of the error of reformed theology.
There is one continual fruit you display and no matter how hard one trys to show the error of your ways, you will never acknowledge scripture.
There is no motive in pointing you out but you happen to be the carrier all the lies.
In case It needs to be said again not one point of the tulip is in agreement with scripture.
Reformed theology totally deny's the law of sowing and reaping, and the law of faith.
Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 15 Mar, 2011 07:40 PM
James it is a known fact you do not acknowledge scripture, so what is the point, when I said what I did, it is not an opinion, it is what is known to me.
Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 16 Mar, 2011 12:29 PM
after world war 2 a japanese general was going to be exicuted. His wife went to a missionary and said please tell my husband about jesus.
The missionary said ok.This general had murdered millions people. The general wanted to accept christ and be baptized and get communion before he died.The missionary said I will do all these things if you tell your fellow prisoners about jesus.
6 murdering japs got saved and were baptized and had communion before they were shot.
Are You "Glad Jesus did not die for everyone who ever lived."?
Posted : 16 Mar, 2011 02:42 PM
Shared ~ Jude, I think you are right. And I am certainly far from perfect in what I write on this group.
*** None of us here are perfect�
Shared ~ However, PhillipJohn has started several threads for the express purpose of complaining about me, and saying I am a false teacher, and teaching "doctrines of demons", etc, and Now 71 is taking my words from another thread and using that to start a new thread!
*** Yes !�PJ has done what you say�Yes !�71 has done what you say�People Do and Say things that can either Love or Hate�Save or Damm�Heal or Kill� Do I agree with what has been done here ?�NO !�I do agree with Defending the Doctrine of Christ Jesus�the Way�the Truth�and the Life�and Pointing out the Errors in Belief in and of Doctrines of Man�
Shared ~ How about threads on something that pertains to Scripture and not "Can you believe so and so believes this, they are so disgusting!"
*** Anything pertaining to GOD�s Scripture is Always Good�BUT�Anything Contrary to the Scripture of Christ Jesus is not of Christ Jesus�it is Of a man�Carnal�Flesh�Legalistic�Controlling�not of a Son of Man and of GOD �Spiritually�in Christ Jesus Spirit�Freely�Giving Love�It is not You that is being Attacked�It is the Doctrine you Claim and Confess to be the True and Correct Doctrine which is Contrary to Christ Jesus* Doctrine and is Not Accepted by All the Persons on these Forums which have attacked it�These Persons Will Not be Swayed for They are Firmly Planted in the Body of Christ Jesus�
My Apologizes offered for Speaking for Others�It is what is my Heart to speak�Luv Yall�even you James�xo
