Who are the Elect ??? Please keep it Civil and Please Don't Post an Article Answering or Explaining...Just Tell it in Your Own Words...you may use Scripture...thank you and hava a God filled and blessed day...xo
Understanding the elect in light of the word, one has to go to the word and the father's perspective on any topic.
When the bible speaks of man or mankind, the bible is speaking of man a spirit, unless otherwise stated.
One must understood the father is man's example of faith, the father does all he does in faith and the new covenant tell us the father has past tense, done all he is going to do, he is now resting.
He see's all of mankind in the light of their redemption (ransom) from the curse of the law, all that came upon mankind from the fall of mankind. The word is very clear if anyone is a sinner, is lost, without God the church's message is come, you have been fully reconciled.
The father sees all thru faith as it is stated in romans 4:17 in the father's heart all are saved.
If you will study, you will see all are written in the book of life, for if they do not meet God's condition for receiving life ultimately their names will be blotted out.
When we talk of foreknowledge, foreordained, predestitnation, all of thses topics are understood in light of calling things that be not as though they are. It is God that put the spirit in the human body. When you want to know how the father see's mankind it is always in Christ, all of mankind is seen by the father, in Christ.
The only sin that will keep man from heaven is the sin of rejecting Christ.
You can go on and on, but all are elect in the father's eyes but only those that accept the lord Jesus will understand who the elect are, when you receive Jesus you are the elect as it is with any other topic in the word of God, all must be received by faith.
It is not the elect that receive Jesus. because as some teach they receive Jesus, because they are the elect, no that is not the word of God, you receive Jesus, you receive your election.
Every promise is for all of mankind, but one must know what the will of God is on any topic according to the word of God and then receive it by faith.
If we are not careful we think Jesus came of his own will, but that is not in light of the word, Jesus came to the earth because the father promised man in his love to redeem them, and thus Jesus came to do the will of love, that is no respecter of persons.
Col 3 vs 2: Therefore, as the { elect} of God,holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness,humbleness ect..
I Peter 2 vs 1 : To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Capadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, {elect} according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
God has foreknowledge- no one else does, we have to meet a person first before we have any idea of their belief and direction.
Read the eleventh chapter of Romans and look for the word election.
"Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God."
� 1 Thessalonians 1. 4
"Give diligence to make your calling and election sure."
� 2 Peter 1. 10
The true doctrine of Election I believe to be as follows. God has been pleased from all eternity to choose certain men and women out of mankind, whom by His counsel secret to us, He has decreed to save by Jesus Christ. None are finally saved except those who are thus chosen. Hence, the Scripture gives to God�s people in several places the names of "God�s Elect," and the choice or appointment of them to eternal life is called "God�s election."
Those men and women whom God has been pleased to choose from all eternity, He calls in time, by His Spirit working in due season. He convinces them of sin. He leads them to Christ. He works in them repentance Sand faith. He converts, renews, and sanctifies them. He keeps them by His grace from falling away entirely, and finally brings them safe to glory. In short, God�s eternal Election is the first link in that chain of a sinner�s salvation of which heavenly glory is the end. None ever repent, believe, and are born again, except the Elect. The primary and original cause of a saint�s being what he is, is eternal God�s election.
Hear what our Lord Jesus Christ says: �
"For the Elect�s sake the days shall be shortened." (Matt. xxiv. 22.)
"If it were possible they should deceive even the Elect." (Mark xiii. 22.)
"He shall send His angels, and they shall gather together His Elect." (Matt. xxiv. 31.)
"Shall not God avenge His own Elect?" (Luke xviii. 7.)
"God hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world." (Ephes. i. 4.)
"Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began." (2 Tim. i. 9.)
"God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth." (2 Thess. ii. 13.)
James interprets Scripture to mean those that are saved were pre-chosen. "marked out", "appointed" by God before the creation of the world.
I interpret Scripture to mean those that are saved are those who put their faith in Jesus and become the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ has been choosen, marked out, appointed since the beginning of creation.
Jude 4 : For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny the only Lord Gord and our LORD Jesus Christ.
James interprets Scripture to mean those that are saved were pre-chosen. "marked out", "appointed" by God before the creation of the world.
James replies:
"James interprets Scripture"?
"God hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world." (Ephes. i. 4.)
twosparrows continues:
I interpret Scripture to mean those that are saved are those who put their faith in Jesus and become the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ has been choosen, marked out, appointed since the beginning of creation.
James replies:
What twosparrows and PhillipJohn are dancing around but not coming out and saying, is this:
They believe you elect yourself. It doesn't make any sense to call someone "elect" if they elected their own self, but that is what they believe.
They believe God looked into the future and saw who would have faith. God knew who would have faith, of their own free will, and because of that, God wrote their name in the book of life.
Now, Since PhillipJohn believes you can lose your salvation, he adds, "if they do not meet God's condition for receiving life ultimately their names will be blotted out."
The problem for them is not only do we NOT have any Scriptures that say that "God looked into the future and saw who would have faith." BUT....we DO have Scripture that says point blank GOD CHOOSES, and man has NOTHING to do with it.
"Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began." (2 Tim. i. 9.)
NOT....according to our works.
Romans 9:11-13: Though they were NOT YET BORN AND HAD DONE NOTHING
EITHER GOOD OR BAD, in order that God's purpose of ELECTION might
continue, NOT BECAUSE OF WORKS but because of his CALL, she was told,
"The elder will serve the younger." As it is written, "Jacob I loved,
but Esau I hated."
Romans 9:16: So it depends NOT UPON MAN'S WILL OR EXERTION, but upon
God's MERCY.
So, those verses contradict the idea that man elects himself,
and they also contradict the idea that "God looked into the future and saw who would have faith."
And for those who think a true Christian can lose their salvation, here is a verse for you:
"If it were possible they should deceive even the Elect." (Mark xiii. 22.)
James I have eluded to nothing that is your practice, the bible says the father calls things that be not as though they are, not me, I said the father sees all saved in Christ it is he that is the author of faith, and I have said it many times before Calvinism deny's the law of faith in all its opinion's.
As a christian the first time I was ask what I thought about the tulip, my answer was very simple it is a doctrine of devils, because there is no faith in what is said, or in otherwords it is in disagreement with the word of God.
You continually say things make no sense and the bible, tells us that carnality and eluding to the flesh is at enmity with God.
No one can know God thru the mental faculties and the flesh!!
No James I did not say people's names are blotted out of the book of life, the bible does, it is not hard at all for a christian to answer anything you say with scripture, but we know you are in agreement with scripture your faith is solely in man.
To the church the bible says a liar will not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So, James, based on your interpretaion of what you have been taught in the Calvinist doctrine regarding the elect and the chosen being all pre-elected, and chosen by God, and all others have no choice in the matter to even have an opportunity for salvation. to be saved.
Based on your Calvinst theology... Does this mean that God is a respector of persons, unlike what He has said about Himself... and does this also mean that God is a separatist?... just asking, need to know, as not to witness to sinner about the Lord if they are not on the role call for the elect.
Are you intellectually dishonest or do you truly not understand what I am saying? You keep stating my position in error so that you can correct it. Why is it that I can state your position correctly, but you can not state mine???
Again, again, again, how many times must I say this James? Here it is again : Yes, we are elect, (marked out, appointed) before the foundation of the world, but only in Jesus Christ as His Body, as His Church. God foreknew, predestined, justified, and will glorify the Body of Christ (Us, we who are saved in Christ). God has elected the Body of Christ, we are invited to be in the Body of Christ by Faith in Jesus Christ. We can accept or decline, but we do not elect ourselves, God has elected the Body of Christ. You see, God decided about (elected) Jesus and a Church before the foundation of the world. We are part of it by Faith in the invitation of God. : Jesus
