Author	Thread: The word "DEAD"
Admin	The word "DEAD" Posted : 9 Feb, 2011 01:28 PM At one time dead was pretty cut and dry, that was until Jesus taught about being 'born again', rose from the dead, gave us the Holy Spirit to make us alive and told us about the second death. Before all this; death basically just meant literal physical death, ie : a corpse. Or one could use the word figuratively like being 'dead to something', kinda like a best friend that slept with your spouse; that friendship would be 'dead to you'. So let's look at the new meanings 'dead' has taken on in the New Testament : Literal meanings : *physical = the death of the body (first death) *spiritual = the death of the spirit (second death) Figurative meanings : *physical = the body is condemned to die or has a incurable injury/disease *physical = dead to something physical (like liver pudding) *spiritual = the spirit is condemned to die or cannot keep itself alive *spiritual = dead to something spiritual (like things of God) *spiritual = not being born again (regeneration by the Holy Spirit) This should all be kept in mind when reading the Scriptures bounced around in the forum lately ; ) In light of the above it should be easy to understand the Christian saying: Born once, die twice or Born twice die once. Post Reply
View Profile History	The word "DEAD" Posted : 9 Feb, 2011 01:36 PM Hey, just a after thought: This post was meant to simplify some things, if it in fact confused, please let me know. Or if you think I am in error, or missed something post it. Or if you want to add or discuss....feel free! Post Reply
View Profile History	The word "DEAD" Posted : 9 Feb, 2011 02:23 PM I think you pretty well covered it Twosparrows. Great teaching! chevy Post Reply
View Profile History	The word "DEAD" Posted : 9 Feb, 2011 02:39 PM Chevy, See this----- :dancingp: That is me dancing cause you are BACK!!! Now before you start getting all teary eyed... I just happy that I can finally quit answering all the women messaging me asking "Where is Chevy?" " Is he coming back?" "Is he coming back?" Sheesh! Good to see you back! You were missed by all! well almost all, I'm not sure about 'Ford74' Post Reply
View Profile History	The word "DEAD" Posted : 9 Feb, 2011 03:21 PM Thanks TS I missed you too!:dancingp: I'm just thanking God we aren't DEAD physically or spiritually. I guess physically wouldn't be bad 'tho ----to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. :applause: chevy Post Reply
View Profile History	The word "DEAD" Posted : 9 Feb, 2011 03:44 PM TwoSparrows, You ARE Baptist! That is what I thought. Suddenly I have a desire to quote Spurgeon......... In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	The word "DEAD" Posted : 9 Feb, 2011 03:56 PM Sir James, Your funny! No I am not Baptist, I had a girlfriend once that was Baptist? I don't think that counts...lol. Ever been to a function where you have to wear a name tag?....I hardly ever comply. ...Honestly, after being raised Catholic I have no desire to be denominational. It's fine for alot of folks, just not me. Hey, in the post topic in this section "Presby and Sir James" I posted some more information, to make it easier to see what I'm getting at....check it out. Post Reply
View Profile History	The word "DEAD" Posted : 9 Feb, 2011 04:13 PM James, I re-posted this here in case you missed it : ) Please reconcile these three verses: EPH 2:1 ~ As for you, you were dead In your transgressions and sins, MATT 8:22 ~ But Jesus told them "Follow me and let the dead bury their own dead" JOHN 7:39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified. --------------------------- The 3 scriptures : 1st verse Eph ~ some say dead means literally spiritually dead...right 2nd verse Matt ~ Jesus says : let the spiritually dead bury the physical dead.... right? Implying that the one who follows him is spiritually alive...right? So how does one become spiritually alive?.....regeneration by the Holy Spirit...right? Opps, something doesn't fit because of the third verse in John 3rd verse John ~ The Holy Spirit had not been given until after Jesus was glorified. *The only way to reconcile these three verses is to say spiritually dead is a figurative term, not a literal term. James don't bail on me now! Post Reply
View Profile History	The word "DEAD" Posted : 9 Feb, 2011 04:33 PM Spurgeon ~ �Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom.� �If any of you should ask me for an epitome of the Christian religion, I should say that it is in one word- Prayer. Live and die without prayer, and you will pray long enough when you get to hell.� �Trials teach us what we are; they dig up the soil, and let us see what we are made of; they just turn up some of the ill weeds on to the surface.�..:winksmile:...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	The word "DEAD" Posted : 9 Feb, 2011 07:33 PM Knowledge for the sinner, and wisdom to no longer be dead in sin. Romans10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 � For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Knowledge: These scriptures contain knowledge of the will of God towards mankind, all of mankind. These scriptures are spirit and life. These scriptures contain faith. These scriptures will illuminate the heart of a sinner. These scriptures contain the wisdom of God to bring one from spiritual death unto spiritual life!! Post Reply
View Profile History	The word "DEAD" Posted : 10 Feb, 2011 01:27 AM 2sparrow, I know you are waiting for James to respond, but I'm going to say what I have to say, and James can add his voice. Again, as I said before, when Jesus was speaking to the young man, it was about the importance of, and the cost of discipleship, following Jesus. Which, has nothing to do with Ephesians chapter 2, other than, when a person is truly born again from above and made spiritually alive, they are willing to make the great sacrifice at any cost to follow Jesus, and as Jesus also says, a true disciple of His will at the risk of forsaking everything including family, wife, friends, mother, father, children, and even your own life to be one of His disciples and follow Him. That being said, John chapter 7:39, also does not have anything to do with being made spiritually alive per say, as it relates to Ephesians chapter 2, as you are trying to say that just because the Holy Spirt had not been given as in this verse, you are assuming this young man could not have been made spiritually alive, because he was not regenerated by the Holy Spirit, as the Holy Spirit had not been given.. Well, again, you must read the whole chapter, and not just pick out a verse or two to try to make your point. As well as understand that it was not necessary for the Holy Spiirt to have been given during this time Jesus was speaking to this young man, because the whole GODHEAD was present there trhough in the personhood of Jesus the Christ. So it did not matter if the Holy Spirit had not been poured out when Jesus made this comment to the young man. The Holy Spirt was there with, and in Jesus, and many people followed Him and were quickened/spiritually made alive before the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was poured out. Hope this helps you understand better. ________________-________________________ WOW!.... Judy-Judy, Judy! what a marvelous word for such a time as this... you go grrrrl!:yay::dancingp::peace::rocknroll::party: ___________________________________________ PJ, AMAZING!... I would like to know, what is different in what you have posted than what I have posted throughout all of my posts on all three or four threads on this topic?... pounding the bricks trying to get you and 2sparrow to understand the principles and working of how Christ works in us, and the works of reconciliation process through salvation, and how we are born again?... there is NOT ONE THING in what you have posted that I have not already being saying! yet, you and 2sparrow, charged me with being confused, and you both contradicted everything I said. And here, in the end you are posting what I have been saying all along. I suppose you came to your senses... PRAISE GOD!... GOD IS TERRIBLE!....never too late to make a spiritual change. side bar: a spiritually dead person is called a sinner.... a spiritually quickened/alive person who put into action Romans chapter 10, is called a born again Christian who follows the teaching of Christ!...:yay:... this is how we are saved. As I have tried to say many times before, that this has nothing to do with Calvin or Arminus teaching, as you and 2sparrow have so defensively protested in saying, that it was about Calvin and Arminus teaching. Prayerfull, you both will know this is A GOD THING from the mouth of God in His Holy WORD! Here's some food for thought: in all your getting, get God's wisdom, God's knowledge, and God's understanding so that you will know the difference between God's word from man's word.... and Paul says it again, that a carnal minded person cannot understand the things of God, because they MUST be spiritually discerned through the Holy Spirit! And in order for the Holy Spirit to revel to you God's word, you must get first get rid of your own STUFF! AND LEAN NOT TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING/INTERPRETATION OF WHAT YOU THINK GOD'S WORD IS SAYING. OUTPUT/INPUT...wait on revelation As I always say, God's word is revealed, not interpreted!... The Holy Spirit teaches us in all things, through revelation and not interpretation... know the difference... it will cut down on you missing the spiritual mark. If I might ask, just who are your Bible study teachers? and where do you guys attend church?...just asking. ella:peace: Post Reply

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