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Can a True Christian Lose their Salvation?
Posted : 3 Feb, 2011 12:52 PM

THE PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS OR THE SECURITY OF THE BELIEVERS.

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The Elect are not only redeemed by Christ and renewed by the Spirit;

they are also KEPT in faith by the almighty power of God. All those

who are spiritually united to Christ through regeneration are

eternally secure in Him. NOTHING can separate them from the eternal

and unchangeable love of God. They have been predestined unto

eternal glory and are therefore assured of heaven.

The doctrine of the perseverance of the saints does not maintain that

all who PROFESS the Christian faith are certain of heaven. It is

SAINTS--those who are set apart by the Spirit--who PERSEVERE to the

end. It is BELIEVERS--those who are given true, living faith in

Christ--who are SECURE and safe in Him. Many who profess to believe

fall away, but they do not fall from grace for they were never in

grace. True believers do fall into temptations, and they do commit

grievous sins, but these sins do not cause them to lose their

salvation or separate them from Christ.

This doctrine does not stand alone but is a necessary part of the

Calvinistic system of theology. The doctrines of Election and

Irrisistable grace logically imply certain salvation of those who

receive these blessings. If God has chosen men absolutely and

unconditionally to eternal life, and if His Spirit effectively

applies to them the benefits of redemption, the inescapable conclusion

is that these persons shall be saved.



The following verses show that God's people are given ETERNAL LIFE

the moment they believe. They are KEPT BY GOD'S POWER through faith

and NOTHING CAN SEPARATE THEM FROM HIS LOVE. They have been SEALED

with the Holy Spirit who has been given as the GUARANTEE of their

salvation, and they are thus assured of an eternal inheritance.

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Isaiah 43:1-3: But now thus says the Lord, he who created you, O

Jacob, he formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you:

I have called you by name, you are mine. When you pass through the

waters I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not

overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned,

and the flame shall not consume you. For I am the Lord your God, the

Holy One of Israel, your Savior

Isaiah 54:10: "For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed

but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of

peace shall not be removed, says the Lord, who has compassion on you."



Matthew 18:12-14: "What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep,

and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on

the hills and go in search of the one that went astray? And if he

finds it, truly, I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the

ninety-nine that never went astray. So it is not the will of my

Father who is in heaven that ONE of these little ones SHOULD PERISH."



John 3:36: He who believes in the Son HAS ETERNAL LIFE....

John 3:16: For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son,

that whoever believes in him SHOULD NOT PERISH but have ETERNAL LIFE.

John 5:24: "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and

believes him who sent me HAS ETERNAL LIFE; he does NOT COME INTO

JUDGMENT, but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE."

John 6:35-40: Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who

comes to me shall NOT HUNGER, and he who believes in me shall NEVER

THIRST. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not

believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me; and HIM WHO

COMES TO ME I WILL NOT CAST OUT. For I have come down from heaven,

not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is

the will of him who sent me, that I should LOSE NOTHING of all that

he has given me, but raise it up at the last day. For this is the

will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him

should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day."



John 6:47: Truly, Truly, I say to you, he who believes HAS ETERNAL

LIFE.



John 10:27-30: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they

follow me; and I give them ETERNAL LIFE, and THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH,

and NO ONE SHALL SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY HAND. My Father, who has given

them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them

out of the Fathers' hand. I and the Father are one."



See also: John 17:11,12,15



Romans 5:8-10: But God shows his love for us in that while we were

yet sinners Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we are NOW

JUSTIFIED by His blood, MUCH MORE SHALL WE BE SAVED by Him FROM THE

WRATH OF GOD. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God

by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall

we be SAVED BY HIS LIFE.



Romans 8:1: There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION for those who are

in Christ Jesus.



Romans 8:29,30: For those he FOREKNEW he also PREDESTINED to be

conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the

first-born among many brethren. And those whom he predestined he also

CALLED; and those whom he called he also JUSTIFIED; and those whom he

justified he also GLORIFIED.



Romans 8:35-39: Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall

tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or

peril, or sword? AS it is written, "For thy sake we are being killed

all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered." NO,

in all these things we are MORE THAN CONQUERORS THROUGH HIM who oved

us. For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angles, nor

principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,

nor height, nor depth, NOR ANYTHING ELSE IN ALL CREATION, WILL BE

ABLE TO SEPARATE US FROM THE LOVE OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD.



1 Corinthians 1:7-9: ...so that you are not lacking in any spiritual

gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ; who

will SUSTAIN YOU TO THE END, GUILTLESS in the day of our Lord Jesus

Christ. GOD IS FAITHFUL, by whom you were called into the fellowship

of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.



1 Corinthians 10:13: No temptation has overtaken you that is not

common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted

BEYOND YOUR STRENGTH, but with the temptation will also provide the

way of escape, that you may be ABLE to endure it.





There are so many scriptures to support this!

see also:

2 Corinthians 4:14,17

Ephesians 1:5,13,14

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you

were SEALED for the day of redemption



Colossians 3:3,4

1 Thessalonians 5:23,24

2 Timothy 4:18

Hebrews 9:12,15

Hebrews 10:14: For by a single offering he has PERFECTED FOR ALL

TIME those who are SANCTIFIED.



Hebrews 12:28

1 Peter 1:3-5

1 John 2:19,25

1 John 5:4,11-13,20



Jude 1: To those who are called, beloved in God the Father and

KEPT for Jesus Christ.



At the end of every church service, my pastor comes out from behind

the podium and holds up his hand and says:



(Jude 24,25) Now to him who is able to KEEP YOU FROM FALLING and to

present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with

rejoicing, to the only God, our savior through Jesus Christ our Lord,

be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now

and forever. Amen



I have by no means exhausted the Biblical texts which support

the "five points". but I hope that enough evidence has been

presented to show that these doctrines are drawn directly from

the Holy Scriptures.



Sincerely,



James

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Can a True Christian Lose their Salvation?
Posted : 3 Feb, 2011 02:29 PM

What is a True Christian ?

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Can a True Christian Lose their Salvation?
Posted : 3 Feb, 2011 03:07 PM

Amen to that Ms. Jude and how does a one become a Christian?

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Posted : 3 Feb, 2011 03:34 PM

By Way of the Roman Road�.



WE ARE ALL SINNERS !

Rom 3:23~ For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;



GOD LOVES YOU & Me !

Rom 5:8~ But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.



SALVATION IS A GIFT !

Rom 6:23~ For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.



CONFESS !

Rom 10:9~That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10~ For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



And ifin ya jus gota have or need a Fifth Point�BECAUSE GOD SAID SO !!! Rom 10:13~ For {{{ whosoever }}} shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved....xo

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Can a True Christian Lose their Salvation?
Posted : 3 Feb, 2011 04:04 PM

Thanks Jude, even easyer though, John 3:16

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Posted : 3 Feb, 2011 04:19 PM

Yer Welcome...Yup ! That should be #1 ifin ya gota have 5 points...:rolleyes:...

John 3:16~ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life....xo

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Posted : 3 Feb, 2011 08:40 PM

Good question.

2Tim2vs18: Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection has past already , and OVERTHROW THE FAITH OF SOME.

Paul called these 2 guys a cancer.

Seems like there are lots of scriptures that pertain to encouragement and warnings. What would be the purpose of those scriptures? They keep us in Christ til that glorious day when He is revealed.

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Posted : 4 Feb, 2011 03:59 AM

well if one reads the word of God and gets the truth yes the gospel tells us it was through repentance of sin that people where being saved. the ones baptised by John where not directed to Jesus and worshipping him but to the Father and repentace of sin. Now what Jesus did on the cross was to open the doors for the gentlies to come in. into where? into the jewish faith we become one with the tree the jew by grace alone and belief in God almighty as the only saviour of the world and that includes anyone who will seek Him not another . Jesus never said he was God nor did he make himself out to be more a son of man which he states 81 times. He is Adam in the flesh the frist Adam . He is not God for only God is God and He can not die! For He was and is and is to come, jesus is the chief Corner stone, but there is more then one Corner to the building.

Jesus said worship the Father John said repent, for there is only one God for something to be One it ca not contain more then one part then it would not be one anyway you slice it it will not be one unless it is whole

for God is not a man....that he should lie...or the son of man...

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Posted : 4 Feb, 2011 06:38 AM

IN the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD Was God.



And the WORD was made flesh, and dwelt among us.



He was in the world and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.



He came unto his own,and his own received Him not.







John and Isaiah make for some good reading.







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Posted : 4 Feb, 2011 08:14 AM

Amen to that Sister...AMEN !!!...xo

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Posted : 4 Feb, 2011 08:38 AM

Rev 5:4 So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it.

Rev 5:5 But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals."

Rev 5:6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

Rev 5:7 Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.

Rev 5:8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.



In the presence of the Father, Jesus is worshiped and receives our prayers. Do you think God would allow us to worship someone other than Him?



In Hebrew culture, there was no difference between father and son to a servant. If the son told you to do something, it carried the same wait as if the father had ordered it. It was assumed that they shared the same goals and purpose. So, when Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, they understood that His words were the Father's, that His purpose was the same. That for us, there was absolutely no difference between Father and Son.



Leon

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