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Regeneration Precedes Faith..........!!?
Posted : 1 Feb, 2011 01:38 PM

Regeneration Precedes Faith

by R. C. Sproul



One of the most dramatic moments in my life for the shaping of my theology took place in a seminary classroom. One of my professors went to the blackboard and wrote these words in bold letters: "Regeneration Precedes Faith."



These words were a shock to my system. I had entered seminary believing that the key work of man to effect rebirth was faith. I thought that we first had to believe in Christ in order to be born again. I use the words in order here for a reason. I was thinking in terms of steps that must be taken in a certain sequence. I had put faith at the beginning. The order looked something like this:



"Faith - rebirth -justification."



I hadn�t thought that matter through very carefully. Nor had I listened carefully to Jesus� words to Nicodemus. I assumed that even though I was a sinner, a person born of the flesh and living in the flesh, I still had a little island of righteousness, a tiny deposit of spiritual power left within my soul to enable me to respond to the Gospel on my own. Perhaps I had been confused by the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church. Rome, and many other branches of Christendom, had taught that regeneration is gracious; it cannot happen apart from the help of God.



No man has the power to raise himself from spiritual death. Divine assistance is necessary. This grace, according to Rome, comes in the form of what is called prevenient grace. "Prevenient" means that which comes from something else. Rome adds to this prevenient grace the requirement that we must "cooperate with it and assent to it" before it can take hold in our hearts.



This concept of cooperation is at best a half-truth. Yes, the faith we exercise is our faith. God does not do the believing for us. When I respond to Christ, it is my response, my faith, my trust that is being exercised. The issue, however, goes deeper. The question still remains: "Do I cooperate with God's grace before I am born again, or does the cooperation occur after?" Another way of asking this question is to ask if regeneration is monergistic or synergistic. Is it operative or cooperative? Is it effectual or dependent? Some of these words are theological terms that require further explanation.



A monergistic work is a work produced singly, by one person. The prefix mono means one. The word erg refers to a unit of work. Words like energy are built upon this root. A synergistic work is one that involves cooperation between two or more persons or things. The prefix syn -



means "together with." I labor this distinction for a reason. The debate between Rome and Luther hung on this single point. At issue was this: Is regeneration a monergistic work of God or a synergistic work that requires cooperation between man and God? When my professor wrote "Regeneration precedes faith" on the blackboard, he was clearly siding with the monergistic answer. After a person is regenerated, that person cooperates by exercising faith and trust. But the first step is the work of God and of God alone.



The reason we do not cooperate with regenerating grace before it acts upon us and in us is because we can- not. We cannot because we are spiritually dead. We can no more assist the Holy Spirit in the quickening of our souls to spiritual life than Lazarus could help Jesus raise him for the dead.



When I began to wrestle with the Professor's argument, I was surprised to learn that his strange-sounding teaching was not novel. Augustine, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Jonathan Edwards, George Whitefield - even the great medieval theologian Thomas Aquinas taught this doctrine. Thomas Aquinas is the Doctor Angelicus of the Roman Catholic Church. For centuries his theological teaching was accepted as official dogma by most Catholics. So he was the last person I expected to hold such a view of regeneration. Yet Aquinas insisted that regenerating grace is operative grace, not cooperative grace. Aquinas spoke of prevenient grace, but he spoke of a grace that comes before faith, which is regeneration.



These giants of Christian history derived their view from Holy Scripture. The key phrase in Paul's Letter to the Ephesians is this: "...even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have you been saved)" (Eph. 2:5). Here Paul locates the time when regeneration occurs. It takes place 'when we were dead.' With one thunderbolt of apostolic revelation all attempts to give the initiative in regeneration to man are smashed. Again, dead men do not cooperate with grace. Unless regeneration takes place first, there is no possibility of faith.



This says nothing different from what Jesus said to Nicodemus. Unless a man is born again first, he cannot possibly see or enter the kingdom of God. If we believe that faith precedes regeneration, then we set our thinking and therefore ourselves in direct opposition not only to giants of Christian history but also to the teaching of Paul and of our Lord Himself.





(Excerpt from the book, The Mystery of the Holy Spirit, by R.C. Sproul, Christian Focus







For more on this topic see:



The New Genesis by R.C. Sproul

Monergism vs. Synergism by John Hendryx

A Defense of Monergistic Regeneration by Gannon Murphy

Regeneration by Asahel Nettleton



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My Comment:

Another passages in the Bible clearly teaches that regeneration preceeds faith see:

1 John 5:1 - "everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God", John 1:13, Rom 9:16



John 6:63,65 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life... Therefore have I told you that no man can come to me, unless it be given to him by my Father."

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Posted : 1 Feb, 2011 03:48 PM

James what you talk of is witchcraft, There is no light in this statement.

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Posted : 1 Feb, 2011 06:54 PM

Thank you PhillipJohn,



Your reply was bizarre and pointless, as always.



I wonder if someday you would consider actually touching on something that was said, and replying to it?



In Christ,



James

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Posted : 2 Feb, 2011 08:09 AM

Of course, There is no truth in the points or any comments of Calvinism, from the time I have been saved, I have been a believer of the word of God.



There is no light or faith, in any part of this post, it is far from the truth.



The truth will never make sense, and it is not supposed to, the truth is spirit,and you try to do what the word tells us exactly not to do.



The carnal man is at enmity with God!

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Posted : 2 Feb, 2011 10:33 AM

Grace is eternal (II Tim. 1:9), immutable (Rom. 11:29), sovereign (Rom. 9:11-24), effectual (Eph. 2:8-9; John 6:37, 39, 44, 63-65), and destroys all room for human boasting (I Cor. 1:29-31; 4:7). It means that the Triune God gets all the praise, honor, and glory for our salvation: The Father for planning it, the Son for purchasing it, and the Holy Spirit for applying and uniting us to it (Eph. 1:2-14). Christ is not only efficient, but is alone sufficient for salvation (Heb 9:12; 10:10) such that our own merit or works righteousness can do nothing to either attain or maintain our justification. The assistance of grace does not even depend on the humility or obedience of man ... for it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble ...as the Apostle says, "What have you that you did not receive?" (1 Cor. 4:7), and, "But by the grace of God I am what I am" (1 Cor. 15:10). Faith is, therefore, not a product of our unregenerated human nature (John 1:13, 6:63-65; Rom 9:16) but is exercised as the infallible result of the work of the Holy Spirit opening our eyes and ears to the beauty of the gospel, turning our heart of stone to a heart of flesh and uniting us to Christ.

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Posted : 2 Feb, 2011 11:43 AM

Well faith is a product according to the word of God, of man's unregenated spirit, but you have to agree with the word of God, for it to give light to your heart.



I understand how you got to where you are AT James, it is a revelation in my heart, you sow corrupted seed into your heart, and you will grow a corrupted harvest, it would require sincere repentance to get back into fellowship and walking in the light of God.s Word.

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Posted : 2 Feb, 2011 12:03 PM

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.

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Posted : 2 Feb, 2011 12:27 PM

Pj -



You said, "The truth will never make sense, and it is not supposed to, the truth is spirit,and you try to do what the word tells us exactly not to do."



...................what? So you are saying that when the Bible says that the truth is spirit (wherever it says that at), that that means it can't make sense? Well, with your interpretation of that, I can actually make a lot more sense of your posts :laugh:



Well, lets carry this thought out logically. God is spirit, so God most not make any sense. Therefore, we shouldn't expect His Word to be perfect nor complete nor anything it says it is and thusly, dare I say it, that would mean that He lies (because he says it is perfect - 2 Tim 3:16) and that would mean that only LIES do not make sense. Lies are contradicting and do not make sense, not the truth. And that, my friend, is the truth lol.

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Posted : 2 Feb, 2011 05:07 PM

Presby,



Trying to make sense out of PJ's posts is kinda like kissing your sister - there's just no future in it!

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Posted : 3 Feb, 2011 06:19 AM

Trying to make sense out of Leon's un-godly remarks is a waste of time as well. We all know what the future holds for hypocrites.

P. J -- Looking forward to seeing ya in heaven. We'll be doing lots o shouting and Praising God ! :applause:

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Posted : 3 Feb, 2011 06:57 AM

Wow! So, I am a hypocrite for standing for truth? You and PJ love to call names and say others are wrong, but I haven't see one plausible post from either of you. All I see either of you do is spew hate. If there is no difference between you and the world, it is time for some self examination. It is strange that a Christian should get so angry over being proved wrong.



Leon

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