Author	Thread: OUR Will or God's Will??
Siciliangirl29 View Profile History	OUR Will or God's Will?? Posted : 7 Jan, 2011 04:21 PM Our Will OR God�s Will? The deceptiveness of �free will� is found in its so-called simplicity: IF �we choose� to obey God, we can; and if �we decide� to rebel against God, we can do this too. The problem with this thinking is that in what �we can do� to please God, this is WORKS, and therefore NOT the grace of God at work, so that we could be willing to be doing under HIS workmanship, NOT �ours�. At this present time, there are but a FEW who are acting according to the election of grace (Rom 11:5). Note that this election process is of grace: Now if it is �by grace�, [God working] then it is no more �of works� [�our own work/choosing�]; Otherwise it is no more grace (11:6). Grace by works is because we have not obtained election by grace without works: Most herein found are blind to their contradiction of being �in works for grace� (11:5-7); And this is because God has given them a slumbering spirit (11:8); And this is so that they could be entrapped (11:9); And this is because they cannot hear what they need to hear, and see what they need to see (11:8). These believers have stumbled unto falling into darkness (11:11-10). Those who love this darkness of being into �Their Own Works� rather than the light of being in God working ARE IN CONDEMNATION (Jn 3:19 and 21). Whatever we are into which we have done for �Our� justification [�our will, way, words, or works�], and we have fallen from grace/God�s will, way, words, and works (Gal 5:4). Unless we can acknowledge God�s will, we do not get repentance to be in this truth, so that we could be recovered from the devil�s will (2Tim 2:25-26). The faithful saying is (NOT by �our will�) but dead with Him, so that we could live with Him, and suffer with Him, so that we could reign with Him: Deny this, and He will deny you! (2:11-12). NOTE He cannot deny self (2:13); IT IS �WE� WHO ARE TO DENY �SELF� (Matt 16:24). Whosoever wills {is in �their own will�} loses the ability to come after Jesus unto losing their soul (16:25-24 and 26); Beware of this leavening doctrine of the Pharisees [free will] (16:11-12). IF you believe in God by �your choice/choosing� then you are trapped into worshipping God in a place on this earth, in your body when God says He does NOT dwell in temples/churches that have been made with �men�s hands� (Acts 17:24-25). God is commanding everyone everywhere to Repent of This IGNORANT worship! (17:30); Because God says we MUST worship Him in spirit, and in truth (Jn 4:24-23). Humanity has fallen from God�s will be done in spirit into man�s will be done in body! The fall is from being IN spirit (Is 31:3). Disciples are known for their love towards one another, in the truth, AND in the actions of love including affection, and esteeming others above yourself because the Royal commandment is to LOVE... (Rom 12:10, Gal 5:13-14, Eph 4:2, Heb 10:24, 1Pet 1:22, 1Jn 4:7) http://www.myspace.com/ziannagraftonholt http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...annaEmmanuelle Post Reply
View Profile History	OUR Will or God's Will?? Posted : 7 Jan, 2011 05:09 PM please clarify a few issues here. sister I read your post and am curious. Your free will belief is different than mine. God never forces anyone to accept his grace.Are you saying God forces people to accept him. Or it is like a inheartance that we have.All we have to do is claim it. When I realized that Jesus had died for my sins I accepted his gift.He never forced me to do that.I choose to take his gift. when Jesus died he died for everybody but not all will accept him. We do have a choice here. Post Reply
View Profile History	OUR Will or God's Will?? Posted : 7 Jan, 2011 05:26 PM God exists outside of time, we live a linear existence in time. Therefore we have no idea how and why God elects whom He does. To declare the absolute truth in this matter, one finds themselves beyond the revelation of scripture. Since when is making a choice considered work?.....Lawyer :" Joe, your Grandfather is getting old and wants to put 100 million dollars into a trust for you" Joe : "Is there anything I have to do?" Lawyer : "No, you just have to sign here to show you accept." Joe : "I don't know, that seems like a awful lot of work!".....huh???????? This post states those who do NOT believe a doctrine that is not explicitly defined in context of ALL scripture are "condemned", "false worshipers" "out of Gods will". Then closes with the following statement : "Disciples are known for their love towards one another, in the truth, AND in the actions of love including affection, and esteeming others above yourself because the Royal commandment is to LOVE..." Hahaha:rolleyes: Post Reply
View Profile History	OUR Will or God's Will?? Posted : 7 Jan, 2011 05:41 PM Dennis, Allow me to sum up what "I think" this young lady believes. God has elected those He is going to save at the beginning of time. You have no choice, because you are totally depraved and the matter has already been decided. Since Gods Grace is irresistible, when it is time you will say yes. Therefore the logical conclusion is Jesus died only for the elect. Post Reply
View Profile History	OUR Will or God's Will?? Posted : 7 Jan, 2011 05:49 PM two thanks but I wanted her to say that. I was getting ready with a statement of my own.:dancingp: You ruined my plan-----------> 2 you are a brat.:ROFL: Dennis the kool dude Post Reply
View Profile History	OUR Will or God's Will?? Posted : 7 Jan, 2011 06:09 PM I started getting a headache trying to figure out what she was saying. When it don't fit, you must acquit! For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Glad you too took the time, I had to quit! Blessings my brothers:applause: Twosparrow Waiting for you to start up on here the first prohectic event to happen instead of the last one!:glow: Post Reply
View Profile History	OUR Will or God's Will?? Posted : 7 Jan, 2011 06:18 PM Please don't give this baby christian a steak to eat, gentlemen:laugh: be gentle. :angel: chevy Post Reply
View Profile History	OUR Will or God's Will?? Posted : 7 Jan, 2011 06:23 PM Dennis, I'm sorry... *hanging head* *kicking the ground* You were so sly you pulled me in to! Do you think she will reply? Post Reply
View Profile History	OUR Will or God's Will?? Posted : 7 Jan, 2011 07:04 PM I hope she'll reply. I don't think she was saying God forces someone to accept him. chevy Post Reply
Siciliangirl29 View Profile History	OUR Will or God's Will?? Posted : 7 Jan, 2011 07:16 PM Exactly...God chose who is elect were Before we were born, and He calls us by a sent preacher..(Rom 9:11 with Rom 10:15). Again it is not us who chooses anything because God says, "I will have mercy on whom I choose, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion, so it is not of "our will/choice" but of GOD that shows mercy (Rom 15-16). Post Reply
View Profile History	OUR Will or God's Will?? Posted : 7 Jan, 2011 07:24 PM Yay! :applause: your back! Dennis wants to talk to you. Are you open to discussion? Post Reply

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