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Posted : 28 Sep, 2010 08:21 AM

This post is not to bring contention or any debate, but to prove a simple point.



How those that say Reformation Theology is the Gospel, and when you illustrate and define the lies by scripture, how they will always disregard what scripture teaches contrary to what they want to believe.



Starting with the T of Tulip: The general theme of the scheme rests in the emphasis on God's absolute sovereignty and power in the act of salvation. The Calvinist believes that salvation is wholly an act of God, initiated and worked out and completed by God. How this is achieved can be summarized in the five points, which is traditionally recalled through the acronymn T.U.L.I.P.



*The "T" in TULIP*



Total depravity. This is the doctrine that affirms the whole corruption of man's nature. According to the Calvinist, every aspect of the being of man is affected through the rebellion of the Fall, so that no one is capable of pleasing God through the efforts of his own natural disposition. According to the doctrine of total depravity, the human person not only cannot please God, but apart from God's effectual grace, no man or woman even has the desire to please Him. Since all sinned in Adam, the representative of all, all are born in sin, and none are innocent, not even infants. All carry the burden of Adam's guilt, since all are in Adam and he is the perfect representative. Since all who come after Adam inherit his guilt, so that everyone is totally depraved, having no natural ability or desire to know or please God, everyone who comes after Adam is also deserving of the hot wrath and punishment of a holy and righteous God.



The idea of total depravity, according to the Calvinist, is not that we all do all the evil we are capable of, but rather, that all parts of our beings are corrupted by sin, and therefore there is nothing in us which can naturally commend us to God.



The Calvinist therefore denies the common doctrine that men naturally hunger

to know God, or that men and women naturally desire Hi



Does this statement agree with what we see in scripture,



No emphatically no!!



Hebrews teaches us that without faith it is impossible to please God, and we know that faith cometh by hearing the word of God.



You can find endless examples of men and women in the Old Testament that pleased God and we are told by scripture that it was accounted as rightousness to those that believed the word of God.



Be mindful the Holy Spirit was not available to the saints of old, their responses was in light of the word of God, and choosing of their own will to obey it.



Look at this clear example against the lie of total depravity: Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.



You only need one example to prove the lie of total depravity, but if you need more you can refer to the hall of fame in the book of Hebrews.



Remember this post is not about attacking those that say they are Calvinist, but exposing the lies and also for others to see how they will regard the truth, scripture

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Posted : 28 Sep, 2010 12:03 PM

@ PJ:



PJ,are not these your words.



The Calvinist therefore denies the common doctrine that men naturally hunger to know God, or that men and women naturally desire Him.



Does this statement agree with what we see in scripture,

No emphatically no!!



This is what GOD the HOLY SPIRIT has to say about your statement.



Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.



I would put this is it's context for you,yet I do ot believe that would help..



Shalom and Chesed:

St.George

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Posted : 28 Sep, 2010 12:53 PM

Pj explain why you are the one who knows this.Where is this truth.



All have fallen sinned and fallen short. You to PJ need to change your beiefs as they too are wrong.

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Posted : 28 Sep, 2010 02:25 PM

Remember this post is not about attacking those that say they are Calvinist, but exposing the lies and also for others to see how they will regard the truth, scripture.

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Posted : 28 Sep, 2010 02:45 PM

your defense does not prove a thing. Were does it say God did not first work in them?

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Posted : 28 Sep, 2010 03:08 PM

Very Good Question young man, so as you would say such, please show us where he did.

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Posted : 28 Sep, 2010 03:08 PM

PJ Dennis is one of the nicest people on here towards you, he has defended you numerous times, he treats you with respect, way more than you deserve, and you continue to disrespect him by not answer him with a straight answer. How do you expect to be understood and get the respect from others who are more than willing to extend it to you when you continue to slap them in the face? You are somthin else!

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Posted : 28 Sep, 2010 03:19 PM

Mr. Row I expected you to show up, where would you say I was ugly to Dennis?

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Posted : 28 Sep, 2010 03:52 PM

Rom 3:10-12 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: (11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. (12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Psa 14:1-3 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. (2) The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. (3) They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

What i listed about shows that man does not seek God and that he does not do good. How does someone seek God then? We can find the answer to that question in Ephesians 2:8.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Right their its clear to see its not of yourselves but a gift of God. Therefore i must conclude that these men of Faith were given their faith by God.

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Posted : 28 Sep, 2010 04:10 PM

Your response proves that you do not understand faith.



Bible faith as it is written requires, a response from man.

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Posted : 28 Sep, 2010 05:41 PM

@ PJ:







PJ,are not these your words.







The Calvinist therefore denies the common doctrine that men naturally hunger to know God, or that men and women naturally desire Him.







Does this statement agree with what we see in scripture,



No emphatically no!!







This is what GOD the HOLY SPIRIT has to say about your statement.







Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:



Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.



Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.







I would put this is it's context for you,yet I do ot believe that would help..







Shalom and Chesed:



St.George



George by the way no they where not my words, they are Calvinist words.

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