Author	Thread: Freedom
Admin	Freedom Posted : 16 Sep, 2010 10:06 AM Hello everyone: i believe a lot of Christians are living in bondage to the teachings of men and not within the freedom Yeshua gives to us. Men say don't drink,smoke,curse and don't go with those that do such things. What did Yeshua do and teach. Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. What are we free from. What type of freedom do we have in Yehsua. What are we able to be doing within this freedom. Shalom and Chesed: St.George Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Freedom Posted : 16 Sep, 2010 10:40 AM Through Christ we are free from the power of sin, we are not free to sin. "Go and sin no more" :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Freedom Posted : 16 Sep, 2010 11:06 AM George I don't believe man is the problem, but can be involved in the problems we face on earth, but we have to go to scripture and agree with it, and scripture says we do not war with flesh and blood. As christian we have no right and it is definitely sin to complain about the body of Christ especially in front of the world. The world is at enmity with the church. Post Reply
View Profile History	Freedom Posted : 16 Sep, 2010 11:21 AM @ Mark Yes Mark we are called to sin no more,but is that all that we are to be doing with the freedom we have in Yeshua/Jesus. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Freedom Posted : 16 Sep, 2010 12:35 PM Uh...yeah. Witnessing to others really isn't involved with our freedom, and I can't think of anything else that would be, so...I guess that's it, unless you have something you'd like to share with me? :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Freedom Posted : 16 Sep, 2010 01:12 PM When a man has been set from by Yeshua/Jesus;he has been set free within his entire being. Yeshua sets a person free within their Spirit,soul,mind and body. Yet until a person has been set by Yeshua their will is still not free. How about loving one another,until Yeshua we could not do this. Even after trusting Yeshua the Love of many grows cold. How about sacrificing what I want,in order for others to be ahead of me. Am i willing to lay down my life for others,as Yeshua laid down His life for me. Too many times I hear people say do not do this, or do not do that,yet there is much more that we are to be doing in Christs freedom... I have not been given the right hand of fellowship,though I have been with this fellowship for at least 10 months... I have been told i need to wear better clothes. I have been told that I need to be a member of this particular church. There are people that ask me have I made a confession of Christ and been baptized. they say that i cannot be saved without this.. This is the bondage that I believe Yeshua came to free us from. Though i had been baptized in the past, and daily,I confess my need of Yeshua,and witness to others as the Lord gives opportunity.. Yet my hope is in Yeshua;not church membership,or confession of Christ,nor baptism... I have much freedom in Yeshua,and more then i understand.. Shalom and Chesed: St.George Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Freedom Posted : 16 Sep, 2010 01:17 PM I think the freedom might let us love our enemies, but the bible does say that unsaved people do love others, just not like God does...probably because they don't know what it's like without God's example. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Freedom Posted : 16 Sep, 2010 01:43 PM I think George has a good argument here. I believe that most of the "wickedness" preaching about what people do that some would regard as sin is simply meant to cause them to feel guilty and for no reason! Well, unless your counting heads at altar calls. You are a sinner if you drink alcohol, if you smoke (anything), if you dress a certain way or use words that some feel are foul. (granted some of them are.) All the while having little concern for the beam in their eye. I've had plenty of people tell me something I'm doing at the time isn't the Christian thing to do. When I ask them what the Christian thing to do is they either quote Pastor 3:16 or they really don't know. Usually if they are trying to stab me with their tongue they end up shooting themselves in the foot. I believe I have the freedom to be what Father made me to be. I have the freedom to approach His throne with boldness. I have the freedom to not fear death because I have eternal life. I have the freedom to believe that when I stand against evil my Father has my back. I have the freedom to speak the Words of God freely without fearing my enemies. I have the freedom to confuse the wise and bring freedom to those who will hear His story of redemption. I have the freedom to bring others who are seeking Truth along side me and to fellowship with them in the wisdom and knowledge of the Lord. I have the freedom to challenge the government and religious leaders of this world and be civil about it. I have the freedom to sit in my Father's lap and enjoy the Peace of His Presence and the sweetness of His voice. Thunder Post Reply
View Profile History	Freedom Posted : 16 Sep, 2010 02:06 PM @ Thunder; Hey Thunder,glad to see that you know the freedom you have in Yeshua. In America, (Not the homeland)Christians live in,under and with subtle slavery.. The body has been subtly brainwashed into thinking that by keeping rules,regulations amd laws that they are doing the christian thing.. They tithe,have worship bands,and meet without bringing anything to the meeting,just because a man tells them this is the christian thing to be doing; Yet all the time they do these things they violate the Word of God,having a form of Godliness/Worship yet denying the power thereof. In 1st Corinthians 11-14 we do not read about anyone leading the meeting of the Saints,no so-called pastor,elders,deacons and no bands. 2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. I do not blame the Sheeple,i lay the responsibility mainly upon the men that want to keep the people from knowing the truth,seeing that they may not know the truth themselves.. One of The greatest freedoms in Yeshua is to think for oneself,Yet I find many people saying pastor so and so says. Or Spurgeon says,or this writer or that writer says,yet what is the Holy Spirit revealing to yourself and others that we need to be hearing,when we meet together.. Subtle slavery,is what I have also been set free from in Yeshua.. Shalom and Chesed St.George ps;Which of these two sons knew of his freedom. Luke 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons: Luke 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living. Luke 15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living. Luk 15:14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want. Luk 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. Luk 15:16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him. Luk 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants. Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet: Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry: Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry. Luk 15:25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing. Luk 15:26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant. Luk 15:27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound. Luk 15:28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him. Luk 15:29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends: Luk 15:30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf. Luk 15:31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine. Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Freedom Posted : 16 Sep, 2010 02:12 PM I'm a little confused now...so when someone tells you that you shouldn't murder someone because it's wrong...we don't have to listen to them or what? I understand that people do hypocritically judge others without looking to themselves first or having mercy...but what does that have to do with our freedom? It sounds like you guys are saying that we really don't have to try very hard. Just need some clarification. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Freedom Posted : 16 Sep, 2010 04:32 PM There are many things you would do if you love the lord, there is nothing to be confused about. We have the freedom to love the lord! We have the freedom to be under a pastor We have the freedom to obey the word. We do not have the freedom as a Christian to post this kind of material publicly or even in the church for that matter. We have the freedom to worship the lord with those of like precious faith. George strife is not in the freedom topic. I wonder how much you would agree with putting your family business in the street? Post Reply

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