Author	Thread: Once again! I can't help it!
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Once again! I can't help it! Posted : 30 Aug, 2010 08:05 AM Ok, so...to bring a dead horse up for some more beating...I was just thinking about the verse in the bible where Jesus is telling His disciples and followers that there would be a time of trouble coming. He said, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day"(Matt. 24:20). Then I thought about the counter-argument that I hear a lot, "Look at the context! Duh! He was a Jew speaking to Jews, the Sabbath is only for the Jews in the Old Covenant". So then I was thinking...but Jesus knew He was going to die...and He knew He would be putting everyone that believed in Him under the New Covenant...everyone...including Jews. Isn't every believer under the New Covenant now? So Why did Jesus tell these people that they should pray their flight wasn't in the winter, full of suffering and starvation...and then also tell them to also pray that their flight wasn't on the Sabbath either? After His death and the entrance of the New Covenant? That is, if it's not important to New Covenant Christians? I mean...it seems like a pretty big deal if Jesus compared avoiding breaking the holiness of the Sabbath to avoiding suffering and starvation, right? :peace::peace: Post Reply
firstfruit2 View Profile History	Once again! I can't help it! Posted : 30 Aug, 2010 02:23 PM From the mouth of Jesus christ Himself,It's a really big deal! Post Reply
View Profile History	Once again! I can't help it! Posted : 30 Aug, 2010 05:49 PM Good question. Well, it must not be translated litterally since in my country there is no such season like winters.. Lol. To be honest, I still have no idea what Sabbath means, since there is lots of more important thing to think about like how to reach the unsaved rather than just arguing about Sabbath. But your question was a really good one and tickled my mind on what that verse really means. What I am pretty sure about is, that we still can pray when that time comes, even we were told to do so. I will try to meditate of it, if I could get another thing in mind, I will post another reply =) Jsalud! Post Reply
View Profile History	Once again! I can't help it! Posted : 30 Aug, 2010 07:26 PM I don't why Jesus said that, but I can certainly see a Seventh Day Adventist USING it. Do you think there might be any practical reasons that Jesus included that? Winter is a practical reason, and it is in the very same sentence. I wonder what the giants of the faith have said about this. DO Seventh Day Adventists allow their people to read commentaries by non SDA writers, like Luther, and Calvin, and Knox, Augustine, etc? In Matthew 24:16 Jesus says to "flee to the mountains", and according to the church historian Eusebius, Christians DID flee Jerusalem during the Jewish war in obedience to a prophecy. In Christ, James Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Once again! I can't help it! Posted : 30 Aug, 2010 07:37 PM It's one of the 10 commandments too. It's the symbol of God's creative power. You can see that a lot in the bible. God's day of rest in direct connection with His creative power. I just think it's pretty important...at least to recognize it as a special day. Doesn't really matter what day you go to church on...but I think it does matter what day you keep holy. Gen. 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Heb. 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. :peace::peace: Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Once again! I can't help it! Posted : 31 Aug, 2010 07:52 AM Sorry I missed you James, we must have been posting at the same time. Yes, Adventists are big "church" history buffs. All the great reformers. We believe that God was leading people out of the error that the catholic church brought in. God showed each of them just enough truth for them to handle. If He had blasted them with it all at once, they would have rejected all of it completely because it would have been so against what they had learned and believed for so long. God has always been interested in "teaching"/"wisdom"/"knowledge", and you don't teach by bringing everything a person needs to learn on them all at once. Anyway. I believe all the reformers were mighty/saved men of God, but I do not believe that they had all truth. Try reading the Great Controversy sometime, it might be a fun experiment, it's basically everything Adventists believe about the history of Christians. And yes, I do know that the prophecy in Matt. 24 was fulfilled, I was just wondering why Jesus would tell His followers to pray that their flight wouldn't be on the Sabbath if the Sabbath was done away with at the cross? There's no doubt in my mind that the "7th day" Sabbath was not done away with in the old covenant. It existed before the old covenant and Jesus would have "spoken of another day" if it was to be voided. And I'm not trying to put people "under the law". The Sabbath existed "before" the law. I just think that we should keep the day holy that God chose and made holy, and not one that we choose on our own. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Once again! I can't help it! Posted : 31 Aug, 2010 04:42 PM Oh I thought u were referring to the end times He was talkin about. Well i have no idea what sabbath means and im not really interested in talking bout sabbath also lol sorry, dude.. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Once again! I can't help it! Posted : 31 Aug, 2010 09:08 PM lol, ok...you're excused:winksmile:. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Once again! I can't help it! Posted : 2 Sep, 2010 06:53 AM Thanks for your very kind understanding lol well its just a matter of preferences. I tend not to care bout this things and usually this topic raises debates here and there. Why are u interested in this matter? Post Reply
View Profile History	Once again! I can't help it! Posted : 2 Sep, 2010 06:55 AM Thanks for your very kind understanding lol well its just a matter of preferences. I tend not to care bout this things and usually this topic raises debates here and there. Why are u interested in this matter? Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Once again! I can't help it! Posted : 2 Sep, 2010 08:02 AM Because I think it's an important truth. I believe that God wants us to keep all of His commandments, and I just think it's strange that the one commandment that recognizes His power/dominion/title, and the one commandment that says "remember", is the same commandment that "doesn't matter" and that we should "forget". I just think it does matter. The law of God points out what sin is. Stealing is a sin. Murder is a sin. Worshiping other gods is a sin. Coveting is a sin....and I believe that forgetting God's holy day is a sin. Sure. God's grace covers our mistakes, but why would we want to keep making mistakes, and why would we ignore a commandment of God? It's just confusing to me. Why do we change God's commandment, when there is no commandment to do so? If you believe that Jesus erased the commandments, and that now we only have to follow the commandments that Jesus gave us....then it's ok to worship idols now too. Jesus never said we can't. I just think that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, the Sabbath is the Lord's day. There is one verse that people use to say the Sabbath is gone. Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. I believe that verse is talking about feast days and food laws which were in the old covenant and they were prophetic and pointed to the future. The actual 7th day Sabbath is a celebration of creation. It is not a "shadow of things to come", it was instituted at creation and is a celebration of that display of God's power. It existed before the old covenant and I think it still does exist, just like the rest of the 10 commandments. :peace::peace: Post Reply

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