Man, isn't this is the same question you posted about God allwoing a person to go to heaven or hell? Just reworded???/:excited:
If God knew you BEFORE you were born BEFORE the foundation of the world, would not this also mean that God is omnipresence( everywhere at all times), omniscience knows the beginning, middle, and the end BEFORE it happens, all-inclusive), and omnipotent?(infinite in power, all that power can do or even desires it wishes to do, God controls it all and is all)...
Does not this mean He has the insights as to what every person on earth will do before they do it, and He knows what you think before you think it, and your answers and questions before you answer or ask?...
Romans 9:22-23 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much long suffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,...
For God to demonstrate His mercy, kindness, love, forgiveness, justice and other attributes He possesses some were made vessels of wrath for destruction and some vessels of mercy to show the riches of His glory. Better not be caught making up a god in your mind to suite yourself, or one that "you" like, you may be saying, Lord, Lord on that day when your fantasy god disappears.
of context trying to create another Doctrine, For those that believe we know the lord Jesus died for all of mankind, and his power sends none to hell, if fails to choose life his choice is then death, it never was, nor never will be the will of the father God, for he is not a man that he would lie.
De 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:
2Ch 6:14 And said, O LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee in the heaven, nor in the earth; which keepest covenant, and shewest mercy unto thy servants, that walk before thee with all their hearts:
Ps 86:5 For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee.
Ps 100:5 For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.
Mic 7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
Mt 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
The verses you gave are all about God's chosen people. Who chose? God, not man. Why didn't he choose Egypt instead of Israel? We don't know, it is not up to us, it is God's choice who He chooses.
You accuse others of being out of context, and you have no idea what that even is. Try explaining how you think he is out of context by giving us your opinion of what that scripture means. Just like I did here with your scriptures.
It is the only way you will ever be able to understand the bible. We are trying to help you here. Don't be prideful, no one has it all right. Post what you think his scripture means so we can discuss it.
No Leon it is never right to call the father unjust, he has made it clear all are chosen, but all do not choose.
Nothing is said out of context in what I posted.
He said he would draw all men, you either believe him or you don't
He said his son's death was for all. It is your choice to accept or reject.
Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Rom 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
Election according to who's will? Man's? No, God's will.
Rom 9:12 it was said to her, "THE OLDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER."
Rom 9:13 As it is written, "JACOB I HAVE LOVED, BUT ESAU I HAVE HATED."
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!
Rom 9:15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOMEVER I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOMEVER I WILL HAVE COMPASSION."
Now if God calls everyone, why does it say He will harden whoever He wants? Doesn't make sense, does it?
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
It says plainly it is NOT your will, it is God's. To deny that is to call God a liar.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I HAVE RAISED YOU UP, THAT I MAY SHOW MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MAY BE DECLARED IN ALL THE EARTH."
What? God made someone to be destroyed? I thought you said that didn't happen. Well, the bible says differently. Keep reading, it gets better.
Rom 9:18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
Rom 9:19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
Rom 9:20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?"
Rom 9:21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
The vessels of wrath made for destruction. Sounds to m like someone needs to do some studying to figure out the truth. God made some to be examples to the rest of us. The potter making the vessel for destruction, see, easy stuff.
Rom 9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
Rom 9:24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
The ones He called. If He called everyone, there would be no distinction here, it would say to everyone.
