Why is it so important for Christians to know the word of God for themself?
Will you be seduced in to believing this:IRRESISTIBLE (SUFFICIENT) GRACE (= "I" of TULIP)
This is virtually a synonym for Luther's slogan "grace alone" (sola gratia) and is logically implied by points "T" and "U" above. It teaches that God's INWARD CALL is perfectly EFFECTUAL or SUFFICIENT--a hard, fleshly, sinful heart need not add anything to God's grace, such as "co-operation," for this special call or grace is invincible, overpowering all hatred and melting all opposition (Calvinists cite, e.g., Jn. 3:6-8). Here Calvinists distinguish God's inward, effectual call--i.e., IRRESISTIBLE GRACE or sufficient, effective grace--from His outward call, which is simply His commandments written on tablets of stone. The latter is eminently resistible, insufficient, and ineffective to give life to a dead soul or liberate a sin-enslaved heart (e.g., Acts 7:51; 13:39; Rom. 8:3).
Men and women have resisted the grace of God from the beginning,
Here is the bigger lie concerning irresistible grace, they want you to believe that you will not resist the grace of God and he will just come on you and regenerate you and then faith will come
The bible teaches that faith cometh by hearing and hearing the word of God, not by regeneration.
Why all of a sudden is it that the father now changes that he imposes his will upon mankind, when he has never done it before, is that his nature.
Question what does the bible say how one receives the Grace of God for salvation?
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
This word can be trusted, when no other can be, the lord Jesus himself guarantees it.
I think this post is about you saying that a true Christian can lose their salvation.
1. You put up NONE of the 4 major verses that those who believe you can lose your salvation use to say this.
2. I put up SOME of the verses that show that God has chosen whom He will save, and that PART of that is CAUSING his elect, to persevere to the end.
God DOES CAUSE His chosen people to persevere to the end, in many ways. God will mingle good times, and bad times, in the life of the Christian, He has given the Christian a NEW nature that desires a holy life, and this new nature does not ever disappear, but usually only grows stronger over time. Even those who are truly born again, but backslidden, will come back to walking with God.
Those who teach that you can lose your salvation are wrong about a great deal of things concerning the Bible, and it takes about ten minutes for those churches to get caught up in legalism.
Why? Because if you can lose your salvation, what are you going to do to keep it?????
WORKS!!
But, since this is NOT true, that God CAUSES HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE TO PERSEVERE, we can rest in Jesus!
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
1Co 1:30-31 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
Gal 3:1-6 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Phi 2:12-13 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
1Th 5:23-24 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
Heb 13:20-21 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
1Jo 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
Jud 1:24-25 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
What you are saying without coming out and being clear about it, is that YOU believe that a christian can lose their salvation.
Because God has chosen whom He will save, and decided this before the world was made, the people He has chosen WILL persevere to the end, because God will CAUSE this to happen.
And God's Grace IS irresistible because God takes a totally dead person, and makes them come alive, with a NEW nature, that naturally DESIRES to repent and obey God.
YOU say, God's Grace can be resisted, but here is what Jesus says:
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day...No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
�You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you� (Acts 7:51). This passage, which is often used in an attempt to refute the biblical doctrine of irresistible grace, actually supports it. Notice the condition of the persons who are doing the resisting: their hearts and ears are uncircumcised, which is the Bible's way of saying they are unregenerate or unspiritual. A person in this condition will always resist the outward call of the gospel. The Holy Spirit may convict them of sin and work to show them their need to Christ, but as long as they remain unregenerate, their hearts will remain closed to Christ. Irresistible grace does not mean that whenever the Spirit works He is irresistible. Rather, it means that while His promptings are always resisted by the dead in sin, He can make the gospel irresistible when He opens their spiritually blind eyes, when he opens their deaf ears and turns their heart of stone to a heart of flesh. He quickens us while we are dead, which is no work of man. As Ephesians 2:5 says, �Even when we were dead in our trespasses, [He] made us alive together with Christ--by grace you have been saved.�
No that is wrong again James, the bible is a book of faith, not a book of regeneration. You see that statement is so obviously corrupt it needs no response, by the way all those that died before the receiving the promise, left this life in faith with no regeneration, and it was accounted unto them as righteousness, it is by faith, not by regenaration, those are in heaven today, you remember that statement of inability, not bible of course, but we already new that
There is no point of the tulip that is the truth, every point is a lie.
�You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you� (Acts 7:51). This passage, which is often used in an attempt to refute the biblical doctrine of irresistible grace, actually supports it. Notice the condition of the persons who are doing the resisting: their hearts and ears are uncircumcised, which is the Bible's way of saying they are unregenerate or unspiritual. A person in this condition will always resist the outward call of the gospel. The Holy Spirit may convict them of sin and work to show them their need to Christ, but as long as they remain unregenerate, their hearts will remain closed to Christ. Irresistible grace does not mean that whenever the Spirit works He is irresistible. Rather, it means that while His promptings are always resisted by the dead in sin, He can make the gospel irresistible when He opens their spiritually blind eyes, when he opens their deaf ears and turns their heart of stone to a heart of flesh. He quickens us while we are dead, which is no work of man. As Ephesians 2:5 says, �Even when we were dead in our trespasses, [He] made us alive together with Christ--by grace you have been saved.�
