Author	Thread: Why are you thankful for the Doctrines of Grace?
Admin	Why are you thankful for the Doctrines of Grace? Posted : 25 Apr, 2010 01:29 PM For those Christians who believe that God is sovereign over everything in the universe, INCLUDING our salvation, I was wondering if you could post some comments and say why you are thankful for God saving you, and what the Doctrines of Grace, (the five points nicknamed Calvinism) mean to you. For those of you modern American Christians who believe that salvation is synergistic, meaning it takes God and your decision, this is a quote about Christians who believe in monergistic salvation, in other words God alone saves His people. Here is an anonymous quote to start you off on: "Therefore, in all synergistic theologies, God's love for people is always conditional. In other words, in synergism, a condition must be met by persons for God's love to kick in or take effect, so to speak. Particular Redemption Vs. Potential Redemption are, therefore, perhaps the most succinct ways to describe the realities of the theologies ... See Moreheld. Particular redemption is like a parents love for his children. When he sees his child run into the street, he does not merely call to him hoping for a response. He runs out into the street, rather, to make certain his child does not get run over. True love gets the job done. " In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are you thankful for the Doctrines of Grace? Posted : 25 Apr, 2010 04:00 PM True love is not a respector of persons and the love of God would tell others, that love is a respector of persons. It brings glory to God to take him at his word For he is not a man that he can lie. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are you thankful for the Doctrines of Grace? Posted : 25 Apr, 2010 04:39 PM @PhillipJohn :ROFL: Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are you thankful for the Doctrines of Grace? Posted : 25 Apr, 2010 04:48 PM It is not surprising to me that you laugh at the lord. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are you thankful for the Doctrines of Grace? Posted : 25 Apr, 2010 04:58 PM I just laugh @ you! :ROFL: First off what are you doing commenting in this thread in the first place? Noticed what the first sentence says? For those Christians who believe that God is sovereign over everything in the universe, INCLUDING our salvation. That does not include you! Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are you thankful for the Doctrines of Grace? Posted : 25 Apr, 2010 05:05 PM Well Sirjimmy,I am extremely grateful for the doctrines of grace because I could not,would not,have come to god on my own...I even tryed sitting in church,saying the sinners prayer,ect.To no avail,I didnt want to really stop sinning or conform to Christ,just wanted insurance from hell if you will.When it happened for me its because god started putting overwhelming consequences in my life,i was forced to think about my life,my character....but it wasnt just that,there was something different inside,i truly started to detest my sin,It wasnt the same me.Im glad god loved me enough to save me,inspite of myself.....otherwise I would be toast!......................In Christ.........Steve Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are you thankful for the Doctrines of Grace? Posted : 25 Apr, 2010 05:28 PM You are absolutely Correct, because I am a believer in the word of God, I put no faith in Calvin, and his need to reform Jesus. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are you thankful for the Doctrines of Grace? Posted : 25 Apr, 2010 06:43 PM Knowing there is nothing good in me and that God chose me despite what I am gives me great comfort and what makes Grace so truly amazing! Unconditional Election that there was nothing I did or did not do, God chose me anyway that is awesome love! Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are you thankful for the Doctrines of Grace? Posted : 25 Apr, 2010 07:28 PM I believe Grace is the power of God working in us to bring us to Himself. It is not only the power of redemption that brings us justification but it also gives us sanctification and glorification and without His grace we have no ability to accomplish anything for His glory. Calvin is a murder and a good example of a religious lunatic. What he believed about grace is of little regard to me when I consider the source. I believe in listening to the Holy Spirit. He is the one God sent to teach me. Thunder Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are you thankful for the Doctrines of Grace? Posted : 25 Apr, 2010 08:24 PM For Thunder of God, You said: I believe Grace is the power of God working in us to bring us to Himself. It is not only the power of redemption that brings us justification but it also gives us sanctification and glorification and without His grace we have no ability to accomplish anything for His glory. James replies: I agree with your sentiment in that you are saying that Salvation is completely from God, and we have no part in our salvation. Thunder of God continues: Calvin is a murder and a good example of a religious lunatic. What he believed about grace is of little regard to me when I consider the source. I believe in listening to the Holy Spirit. He is the one God sent to teach me. James replies: First off, as I said in my starting of this thread, the Doctrines of Grace are five points of Doctrine NICKNAMED Calvinism. MANY Christians before and after the Reformation believe these five points and this has NOTHING to do with John Calvin. Calvin was NOT a murderer, and you need to check on the definition of murder. It sounds like you have no idea what the five points are, or much of church history. And your last sentence sounds like you think it is not necessary to know church history. This is a bad attitude in itself. I think you should first study the doctrines of grace first, and then comment on this thread. In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are you thankful for the Doctrines of Grace? Posted : 25 Apr, 2010 08:29 PM For PhillipJohn, You said that "God is no respector of persons"? What do you mean by this? Do you mean that God does not choose to save a people for Himself out of all the people of the world? God chose the Jews first. He chose them only until Jesus was born. In Romans 9 Pauls says: This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. 9For this is what the promise said: "About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son." 10And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad�in order that God�s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls� 12she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." 14What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God�s part? By no means! 15For he says to Moses,"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. So, what do you say about this PhillipJohn? In Christ, James Post Reply

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