Author	Thread: Communion wine or juice?
shepherdingking View Profile History	Communion wine or juice? Posted : 24 Apr, 2010 01:25 AM How often should we take communion and are there special requirements to do so? What did Jesus use, real wine or grape juice? And what stage of a gathering should it take place? I am thinking this sacrament is not done often enough as instructed. Post Reply
View Profile History	Communion wine or juice? Posted : 24 Apr, 2010 03:28 AM I think we should take the communion as often as we need it, and the requirement to do so is we need it, that means we are in repentence for what we've done and seeking to come to God. I don't understand the stage of gathering question. Do you mean beginning or end of service? Traditionally it's in the end in my church, I don't see this as being wrong, though one could debate pros and cons... I think Jesus used real wine, for I have never heard of fruit juices even having existed in ancient time. I think they would have always made wine or drank water, if they didn't want to drink alcohol... I think it is good to use juice anyway, for the sake of possible alcoholics in the community, to not make them stumble. In my church we have both and you can decide what to take. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Communion wine or juice? Posted : 24 Apr, 2010 11:18 AM ....you have to have fruit juice before you can make wine, lol. I think we've had this post before. The bible says that kings, princes, priests, deacons, elders...are all to avoid strong drink. It effects people judgment. Jesus was most, if not all, of those things. I doubt He drank real wine. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Communion wine or juice? Posted : 24 Apr, 2010 11:35 AM The wine Jesus drank would have been fermented, boiled and watered down. Boiling the paplos aferwards kills the yeast and fermintation (just like your non-alcoholic drinks of today). I dont have time to get into the details, but will if anybody wants more on this. Post Reply
View Profile History	Communion wine or juice? Posted : 24 Apr, 2010 04:24 PM @Mark: I am not aware yet that also kings would have to abstain from strong drink. I know about nasiraeans (spelling?) to do so and I guess there is something for elders etc in the NT, though I think there was also a verse where Paul advises Timotzhy to drink wine for health. After all, I would never have counted wine to strong drinks, as wine and beer has only few alcohol. Strong drink would in my understanding be stff like Schnaps, whiskey, wodka etc, so at least 20%, but maybe this is only me. Of course you have juice before you have wine, but when you already take an effort for production of beverage, why stop at the juice? For thirst you can have water, that suffices. For the fruity taste, you can eat the fruit. But for celebration, you can user the alcoholic beverage. @rapio: Whatever the procedure back then, we do agree that wine back then also had alcohol, as in the story of pentecoast the disciples are said to be drunk of wine. So if Jesus did drink wine, there was alcohol in it. The question is, if one has to understand the passage abot the eucharist as wine bing drunk. I think it makes more sense to presume, they did indeed drink wine then to make up all kinds of reasons, why this would not have been the case. I have no proof and I don't claim so, I also do not think that one would have to use wine today, as I said. But if we ask for the historic event, for me it makes just a lot more sense to presume they had wine. God bless Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Communion wine or juice? Posted : 24 Apr, 2010 05:00 PM I would say that since the bread was supposed to be unleavened and pure...the "wine" would not have been "rotted fruit juice"...I mean...that isn't too great of a symbol for Christ's blood... :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Communion wine or juice? Posted : 24 Apr, 2010 05:07 PM I will put some info together on this.. maybe this week :D Post Reply
shepherdingking View Profile History	Communion wine or juice? Posted : 26 Apr, 2010 12:53 AM Rapio What you suggests sounds like pasteurization invented by Louis Pasteur in the 19th-century. And became the basis for today's modern fruit juice. In fact Welches grape juice was originally produced to bring a non-alcoholic "fruit of the vine" to the communion table. They may have mixed wine to purify the water in Jesus' day. But I have not found evidence of that. :waving: Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Communion wine or juice? Posted : 26 Apr, 2010 08:52 PM Just plain grape juice has the same "health benefits" of drinking wine without the side-effects/dead brain cells. :toomuch: :peace::peace: Post Reply
shepherdingking View Profile History	Communion wine or juice? Posted : 27 Apr, 2010 08:01 AM I doubt Jesus and His disciples were sitting around getting drunk. Drunkards will not enter the kingdom of heaven. but still, pasteurized grape juice (non-alcoholic communion wine) was not invented till the 1800's. This fruit of the vine of Jesus must have had some special chemistry to go from decaying fermentation to the most precious life giving blood in the universe. Jesus turned water into what they called saving "the best wine for last." :dunce: Post Reply
View Profile History	Communion wine or juice? Posted : 27 Apr, 2010 09:45 AM @Mark: The communion isn't abot health benefits. It's about recieving Christ. PLus: I think people are doing so many things in their lives that kill brain cells, some more or less by a glas of wine at a time won't hurt that much... I'm not talking about being a drunkard:toomuch: rather about enjoy a good glas or two with some friends:buddies: God bless you all Post Reply

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