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Admin	Why is it that Posted : 22 Apr, 2010 05:40 AM Based on my experience, when Calvinists (Reformed Christians) defend their doctrinal beliefs, they usually read from large passages in the Bible (John 6, John 17, Romans 5, Romans 9, Romans 10, Ephesians 1, etc.) and let the words of scripture speak for themselves. In contrast, Arminians and other Anti-Calvinists usually quote a "nugget" from scripture (totally removed from its context) and then talk for 30 minutes attempting to explain why Jesus really didn't mean that Christians were chosen when he said they were chosen and why Paul didn't really mean that Christians are predestined when he said they're predestined. I would be embarrassed (and scared) to speak against the scriptures simply because they don't say what I would like them to say. Christians are supposed to align their theological beliefs around scripture; not to bend the Bible around their own preconceived ideas. If scripture does not support our theological position, shouldn't that tell us something Post Reply
View Profile History	Why is it that Posted : 22 Apr, 2010 05:45 AM You just described Calvanist and did a great job of exposing it. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why is it that Posted : 22 Apr, 2010 05:48 AM And you always do a great job of exposing your incredible intelect! Post Reply
View Profile History	Why is it that Posted : 22 Apr, 2010 05:50 AM intellect?LOL Post Reply
View Profile History	Why is it that Posted : 22 Apr, 2010 06:18 AM Truth does not come out of the intellect, it is of the heart, as the word of God teaches. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why is it that Posted : 22 Apr, 2010 06:40 AM The Synod of Dort is not the only council which condemned Arminianism. Throughout the entirety of church history, at each council, synod or diet, one can find that one of the Arminian doctrines, or the whole system of Arminianism has been condemned at one time or another. Only since the birth of the Charismatic movements of Wesley, Pentecostals and Neo-Pentecostals have the Arminian heresy come to life again. Calvin's theology is not a unique theology; Calvin did not create this theology single-handed. It is only a rehashing of the teachings of Augustine of Hippo and the Apostle Paul, not to mention the rest of the Biblical authors. His theology is a systematic approach to the promise, covenant, and providence teachings of the grace of God found throughout the Scriptures. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why is it that Posted : 22 Apr, 2010 08:29 AM That is so true! I had studied the Bible for years before I had ever heard of John Calvin or the Calvinism vs Arminianism debate. I had already come up with most of the doctrines of grace in my own studies and it is this controversy that has help me fine tune my own understanding. I can now look at both side and use my God given intellect to make a wise "CHOICE" (for you Arminians) on which view is correct. But it was God who gave me the wisdom to see the clear truth. And it was God that chose to raise me from death to life as part His chosen elect to enjoy Him forever. He chose me before creation. Christianity is not blind faith and I thank God for that. There is enough to wrap your fingers and intellectual mind around that helps build you faith. Creation for one if there is a creation there will be a creator. The Bible and how it is super naturally written and the doctrine there in are none a mere man would be able to come up with. Christianity is not just for the dummies. It amazes me that no other theology in the Bible gets men more worked up than that of God total sovereignty over His whole creation and that He has His finger in every part of it. He didn't create evil but He sure uses it for His divine purpose. And that gives me great comfort that we are not aimlessly walking around as blind dead men with no hope. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why is it that Posted : 22 Apr, 2010 08:57 AM using one's intellect to choose truth, is clearly in opposition to the word of God, surely you meant otherwise Post Reply
View Profile History	Why is it that Posted : 22 Apr, 2010 10:33 AM so are you saying you should use stupidity to fin truth? Post Reply
View Profile History	Why is it that Posted : 22 Apr, 2010 12:35 PM @PhillipJohn: So how do we find truth? In reading the bible and then choose to believe that what we believe is truth? Sarcasm, sorry. But honestly, you hardly ever say what you think yourself, you just toss bible verses at us without commenting them or you ask short questions that could be pointing at all and none alltogether. And you end up saying: "What you say is not the truth/in accordance with the word of God/false doctrine/whatever". It's kinda getting on my nerves a bit. Why wouldn't you at least try to make a point and explain what you mean, or, to put it more ancient stylish: confess! That's what others do around here. And then, when we know what people confess there can be a debate. But whenever the debate starts and the others bring up bible evidence for their points, you get back to just saying they were wrong. What are you after? Playing games with us? Post Reply
View Profile History	Why is it that Posted : 22 Apr, 2010 01:06 PM If we are to " lean not unto Our own understanding* then why on green earth would anyone want ta lean on thier Own understandin or someone elses for that matter...I've learned through History an personal expierances in life that not a One of US...:waving:...Is without Sin an not a One of US is All knowin an has All the answers...That is why it is important to keep yer own nose in the Book/Word of Jesus an out of the Garbage of the past... As far as the Word...It was said to me once in a conversation with a dear friend when I was pushin MY views/interpitation/opinons at her...I kept sayin I know I am right, I know, I know...she said...Honey child...I know you know...BUT...do you understand..??? Humble Pie ...:winksmile:...Luv ya All...xo Post Reply

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