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Admin	nothing you did(including choosing god) Posted : 10 Apr, 2010 05:54 AM Paul teaches clearly that it is only when salvation is attributed to undeserved election that we can know god saves who he wills of his own good pleasure.he is under obligation to no one.When paul states that we werre "chosen in christ before the foundation of the world (eph.1,4)he makes it clear that there is no regard for our own worth.We were adopted into heavenly inheritance in christ because in ourselves we are incapable of such attainment.Elsewhere he tells the collossians to give thanks that they had been made fit to share in the inheritance of the saints(col.1;12) If election comes before the divine grace wich makes us fit for immortal life,what does god see in us to persuade him to elect us?Another passage makes this even clearer.God "chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through jesus christ,in accordance with his pleasure and will(eph.1;4-5)good works are never taken into account.Paul makes this clear.God has saved us and called us to a holy life-not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace.this grace was given us in christ jesus before the beginning of time (2 Tim.1;9) Post Reply
View Profile History	nothing you did(including choosing god) Posted : 10 Apr, 2010 11:02 AM I wish to say without malice calvinism and the Gospel of the lord Jesus Christ are not in agreement I believe Jesus is the way, the truth, the life Post Reply
View Profile History	nothing you did(including choosing god) Posted : 10 Apr, 2010 05:32 PM so philipjohn what is different about you from the athiest or the muslim that you were wiser,or right place right time,or was there something better or special in you that made you respond to the gospel while your neighbor did not?' Post Reply
View Profile History	nothing you did(including choosing god) Posted : 10 Apr, 2010 05:32 PM so philipjohn what is different about you from the athiest or the muslim that you were wiser,or right place right time,or was there something better or special in you that made you respond to the gospel while your neighbor did not?' Post Reply
View Profile History	nothing you did(including choosing god) Posted : 10 Apr, 2010 06:30 PM I agree with you manofgod. It was never my choice to choose the Lord, but He chose me. I couldn't do anything about it for good or bad, and I do not care about this being branded Calvinism, Lutheranism or Orthodoxism or whatever. It is how I have experienced it, it is what I read in the bible and I do not see ny reason to presume that I could do anything about being saved, be it good deeds or only the one thing to chose God myself. God made me chose God, I couldn't do anything about it. God bless you Post Reply
View Profile History	nothing you did(including choosing god) Posted : 10 Apr, 2010 08:10 PM amen brother.....and I do not condemn the arminians for their veiws or judge them in any way.this is not my place.i only say what im compelled by god to say.I dont like titles,calvin did not invent grace.nor did augustine or Luther.Jesus Christ invented grace.The bible is full of these passages.I find them extremely wonderful,I would not want any part of my salvation left up to me,i would just screw it up!If it were possible to fall away,I would most likely do that..When I wander...god pulls me back..sifts me like Wheat..not with out pain many times!Praise god that ,for whatever reason,Im his sheep..amen Post Reply
View Profile History	nothing you did(including choosing god) Posted : 12 Apr, 2010 02:17 PM Friends I agree with a little of what you said.We all are chosen, but we have the choice to reject christ. I choose christ, jesus as my lord. Dennis Post Reply
View Profile History	nothing you did(including choosing god) Posted : 13 Apr, 2010 12:22 AM Hi Dennis, so there are different ways. Because I cannot claim that I had any chance to choose. I don't see how I ever had the chance to reject Him, even if I wanted to. God bless you De Benny Post Reply
View Profile History	nothing you did(including choosing god) Posted : 13 Apr, 2010 01:12 AM It is very simple Benny, you say as you have many times to the word on this forum the bible is dead, that is a perfect example of rejecting him. Post Reply
View Profile History	nothing you did(including choosing god) Posted : 13 Apr, 2010 02:01 AM Sorry PhillipJohn, to be so harsh now, but you keep attacking me and I am close to feeling offended: What do you know of me? Your read some of my postings, we have both different cultural backgrounds, we don't have the same mother tungue. You cannot look inside my heart, so how can you say you know me or know what I mean? How can you say I reject the Lord? How can you judge me based on what you think you understood? What do you know of my life? Of my faith? Other than what you read into my postings here? We might not share the same ways of faith, that is only natural, for He created each man as an individual. Christ ist the way to God. I never rejected Him, I never ever could do so! I see no way to do so. He chose me, not vice versa! So unless He drops me I cannot get away from Him, even if I wanted (which I don't do in case you start thinking...). All I did was question several interpretations of the bible and some hermeneutics. Nothing else. So please stop calling me a nonbeliever without knowing me. Stop being judgmental about people whose ways of thought you maybe cannot follow as they are just different. Have you ever been abroad and talked to non-US citizen for a longer time? Ever experienced how ways to exress oneself and to see things changed? Have you ever imagined that the US way to think about things, even the way of US Christians is not the only truth? Did you ever get a glimpse of the diversity of ways of thought God has created? There is only one way to the truth, but there are many ways to express the truth. If not, we wouldn't be able to translate the bible into national languages. I might not fit into your categorisation of a Christian, okay. Maybe I do not want to go by your standards, I am content to go by what I think God told me as His standard. I try to not seek to please people more than God. So keep with your own conservative US centered standards of how a Christian is to be, but dont expect rather liberal non US Christians to follow that standard (wow, you got me to call myself liberal, that is rare!). Jesus is not a book, Jesus is the Lord, the king of kings! He is God, He saved us! I could never reject this truth, and never have since I understood it. This is what I think makes me a Christian, and not some book, however great it might be. You got me close to question your faith, whether you are rejecting Christ by the way you keep attacking me and sticking to your own truths. I won't say so, because I realized this was due to me being hurt by what you said. You are different from me and I don't understand your thoghts in most parts, but as long as you call yourself Christian, who am I to deny that? I am sorry for being so emotional about this, but I thought better scream up on time before I don't say a word and you continue hurting me (unintentionally) and thus damaging the relation between us and rendering discussion in the love of Christ impossible. I seek to understand you, for I don't do so now. Us both being Christians means there is a way for mutual understanding, even if it's hard to find. And I hope you seek to understand me too and do not judge based on a false image you have of myself. God bless you De Benny Post Reply
View Profile History	nothing you did(including choosing god) Posted : 13 Apr, 2010 06:21 AM Not at all, I just answered what you said, nobody is trying to hurt anybody, the word of God is the same in every country, every nation, every tongue. Post Reply

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