"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."John 1:17.
and he want us to follow it as it is said
"Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4. Salvation does not come by observing the law. It comes after salvation and as an urge of the Holy Spirit.
Ya. and Judaism accept John and 1 John as scripture. And Christian should consider whether these 2 books should be accepted as scripture. (Just being sarcastic)
I have seen your posts and it is my opinion that you are mistaken in your interpretation of them. I was always taught, if there is even one verse in the bible that goes against your belief, it is your belief that is wrong, not the bible.
I have seen well over a hundred verses posted here that disagreed with you. According to all my teachers, that makes you wrong.
I will say this, Christians are not under the law because anyone that is truly saved would not dream of doing anything to hurt another, or God. Which is basically what the commandments were for.
Christianity is not now, nor has it ever been, about adherence to a strict set of rules. It is about love from a pure heart.
Quote: "You are speaking of Judaism. Christianity teaches a whole different set of values."
Yikes! A really generalized statement ... Christ and most of the apostles were Jewish. Stating that Judaism has a different set of "values" from Christianity sounds very exclusive and the Jews are not exluded from Gods plan.
I am asking a very simple question here, is it a sin if I am observing the law? If it is wrong if I observe the law show me verses that say so. Don't show verses that said we cannot save by observing the law, that is not my question. I believe in salvation through faith and SANCTIFICATION through law with the help of Holy Spirit. Since not all spirit is the Holy Spirit, we were told to test the spirit "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1. That's the problem with nowadays Christian, we do not test the spirit anymore. How do we test the spirit? Holy Spirit will tell us it is a sin to break the law for "Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4. We cannot observe the law by ourselves, unless with the help of the Holy Spirit.
Quote: "Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4. Salvation does not come by observing the law. It comes after salvation and as an urge of the Holy Spirit.
I dont think anyone in the whole world (all religions) deny that breaking the "law" (murder, theft) is wrong (sinful) that is why governance was stipulated in the covenant with Noah. Also, I dont think that Christians (nor the majority of Jews) follow the 600+ laws in the Mosaic Covenant. You have already agreed that salvation is not possible by following laws which is what the other posters are claiming so what is the "hair splitting" point that you are trying to make? I dont think that anyone would state that the "values" that the world strives for are encompassed in the 10 Commandments so the "law" is not "dead" in that sense.
Even these basic 10 "commandments/laws" are unattainable by some and God knew this ... even David committed murder and adultery. So why the Commandments? My opinion is that the 10 Commandments were a way to help us to understand the character of God not to set us up for failure but to strive to be like Him. Jesus fufilled the "law" ... he fufilled Gods character/image... he didnt covet, lie, murder. In this sense, I agree with you that the "law" still stands". We strive to fulfill and mirror the image/character of God which is now easier to accomplish with the living Christ/law and Holy Spirit indwelling so I basically disagree with the statement that the "law" is dead and to be honest dont understand this Christian concept for to me it is splitting hairs and unimportant. The other 600+ laws were never alive to me to begin with but the 10 Commandments were always "alive" and still remain so in my humble opinion.
I dont think that anyone would state that the "values" that the world strives for are NOT encompassed in the 10 Commandments so the "law" is not "dead" in that sense.
dear folks, maybe this will help answer the question some ..
6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Sin's Advantage in the Law
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet." 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
