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Admin	1 Peter1 What does "Elect" and "Foreknowledge" really mean? Posted : 7 Dec, 2009 11:23 AM Here is another article addressing the bad English translation due to Calvinistic bias of the translators. This is also a very important article and well worth the time to read and study it. http://www.pfrs.org/commentary/1Peter1_1.pdf Blessings! Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	1 Peter1 What does "Elect" and "Foreknowledge" really mean? Posted : 7 Dec, 2009 05:29 PM HaHa In Christ Steve Post Reply
View Profile History	1 Peter1 What does "Elect" and "Foreknowledge" really mean? Posted : 7 Dec, 2009 10:37 PM Steve... it is 100% accurate. Stop hanging on to Calvinism and make a decision to seek God's wisdom and be willing to be wrong. Study my Friend and make no assumptions that Calvinism is correct. Challenge your beliefs. I am a student of Greek and I agree with my Pastor who teaches Greek. He is 100 right on the mark here. It really is not all that difficult...."IF".. you study and open your heart and mind. Blessings! Walter Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	1 Peter1 What does "Elect" and "Foreknowledge" really mean? Posted : 8 Dec, 2009 08:14 AM I really just don't get this whole argument...I DO believe in election and predestination, the translation doesn't bother me...it's the wrong interpretations that get me. God does know everything, God has planned everything...but is it really so hard to understand that He doesn't need to remove any part of our free will to do His will? I know that everything I do, every day, every second, is in God's plan. I can't change any of it. But I believe I still have free will. Not limited free will. Total free will. But because God is a super awesome genius that can see that future...it doesn't mess with His plan. It is possible to influence someone to do something without removing their choice. True. We would not come to God unless He influenced us by showing us our sin through the law, or by showing us His grace through His son, or by convicting us by His holy spirit. I guess I just don't understand how a God-influenced choice to follow Jesus is a "work that saves yourself". I believe God has worked out the future so that by inducing certain events to occur, and by spreading His influence, He has found the best path to save the most people through their own faith according to His will. And I believe the bible holds to that truth. You say my beliefs are false, I say Calvinism is false. You don't have to believe me. Time will tell who is right. All I ask is that people listen for God's call, and I'll do the same thing. Hopefully none of us are too proud to listen and relinquish our Babylonian error...me included:goofball:. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	1 Peter1 What does "Elect" and "Foreknowledge" really mean? Posted : 8 Dec, 2009 10:57 AM Hi Don, I appreciate your words. The point of this thread as well as the other one is that these two passages in particular are fundamental to the beliefs of Calvinists. What we find is that because of Calvinist bias, the translators grossly mistranslated these passages from the Greek and created a meaning of a word like "foreknowledge" to mean something that it does not. The word "Elect" also does not have the meaning or application as Calvinists claim. They took the word "Elect" from it's proper place in the Greek which is in verse one and then placed it in verse two in order to give support to their theology. This is really huge! Talk about doing violence to God's Word! What this proves is that their position of "Election" is completely false and as such this utterly destroys their position! Blessings! Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	1 Peter1 What does "Elect" and "Foreknowledge" really mean? Posted : 8 Dec, 2009 05:33 PM Hilarious! Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	1 Peter1 What does "Elect" and "Foreknowledge" really mean? Posted : 8 Dec, 2009 06:18 PM Maybe, but...I think God protects and plans the translation of His word so that it never is too far from the truth...the point is to interpret the whole bible with the whole bible. It cannot contradict itself, so in the places where it seemingly disagrees with itself, the fallible biased human interpretation is wrong. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	1 Peter1 What does "Elect" and "Foreknowledge" really mean? Posted : 8 Dec, 2009 10:05 PM Don, I have to disagree with you about God protecting the "translations". While God did protect the Originals and the copies of the originals in their original languages, I do not believe He set His protection around the translators and stopped them from making errors and some of them are huge. The Hebrew and Greek Texts are inspired but not the translations from them. Blessings! Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	1 Peter1 What does "Elect" and "Foreknowledge" really mean? Posted : 8 Dec, 2009 10:14 PM Election---Ephesians 1: 4-11, before the foudation of the world. John15:16, Ye have not chosen me,but I have chosen you and ordained you. Acts 13:48 And as many as were ordained to etenal life believed. Romans 9:11-24, Purpose of God according to election. Romans 11:5,7,28. Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessolonians !:4; 2 Peter1:10. This is the biblical teaching that God in His love chose from among totally sinful human beings some that he would redeem to himself while passing others by. The word elect in 1 Peter1: 2 is from the Greek word Eklektos, which means by implication favorite--chosen, elect. Also from the Greek word Eklegomai, which means to select--make choice,choose(out),chosen. The word, forenowledge, in 1 Peter 1:2 comes from the Greek word, Prognosis, meaning ,fore thought.Also from the word Proginosko, To know beforehand;forsee-foreknow(ordain),know (before). Romans 8:29; 11:2. Post Reply
View Profile History	1 Peter1 What does "Elect" and "Foreknowledge" really mean? Posted : 9 Dec, 2009 04:53 AM Ding,ding ding We have a winner folks peace 1964......Amen sis.....its funny,when you dont have the correct interpretation,you have to go way out of your way to try and explain it. but all we have to do is quote scripture.....it speaks for itself talk about bias......sheeeesh wake up arminians.....there is nothing special about you that made you choose god while your neighbor is condemned. its all gods good pleasure and if I were you I would be asking myself why I cant see something that is so very obvious! in christ steve Post Reply
View Profile History	1 Peter1 What does "Elect" and "Foreknowledge" really mean? Posted : 9 Dec, 2009 07:55 AM The problem with arminianism is not realizing the depths of mans evil, remember the orcs in lord of the rings,they came out of the ground,totally evil......when they were slaughtered,you didnt feel bad,they were like insects,totally rebellious and rotten to the core......well guess what people......we are the orcs......no good in us at all!Deserving death and hell every last one!The bible is profoundly clear on this!If you dont get this,then you must question your salvation! the fact that god chooses to save some of these undeserving creatures is a glorious blessing,and according to the bible..........his will! No getting around it!Im sorry In Christ Steve Post Reply

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