Author	Thread: Women will be "SAVED" through child-bearing. (1 Timothy 2:15)
WalkNTalk View Profile History	Women will be "SAVED" through child-bearing. (1 Timothy 2:15) Posted : 28 Mar, 2026 10:44 AM 1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding, she shall be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobermindedness. (KJ21) But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. (NIV) Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control. (NKJV) What do you think of this Bible passage? Does it mean that women will be saved by having an abortion? The proceeding verse says, "And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner." Post Reply
WalkNTalk View Profile History	Women will be "SAVED" through child-bearing. (1 Timothy 2:15) Posted : 28 Mar, 2026 10:46 AM Some women are never quiet here. Some just make a lot of noise. Some discard a thousand and one Bible verses then are on this site anyway. Not only do they discard Bible verses; they want you to discard Bible verses as well. Post Reply
YaHYaHWeH View Profile History	Women will be "SAVED" through child-bearing. (1 Timothy 2:15) Posted : 29 Mar, 2026 04:55 AM SEX vs BORN AGAIN & SALVATION Christianity teaches that when a man lays with a woman they call that "sex", but that's not a scriptural term, but a retronymic made-up term. This has led to many women having men who are Sons of Darkness damaging their souls. The notion that consensual intimacy is only “sex”, is evil. It twists the truth of scripture and has created Christianity. The foolishness of the Rabbinical Jew is seen here, and the use of the State-Issued Marriage License. I do not believe that the State-Issued Marriage License is necessary* (*nor does it constitute marriage), for it is not written in the scriptures. I believe that the act of a man entering into the woman is not "sex", but actually the bonding act or marriage act itself. In Exodus 22:16 we read: "If a man lay with a woman who is not betrothed, he shall surely endow* (*mohar | H4116 - which means “to buy her”) to be his wife " I'll go even further, I believe that neither Rabbinical Judaism or Christianity is real, but that they've created this mass of unscriptural nonsense where people think they can have sex, but not be "married", and that they are only married when they use a piece of paper, aka the State-Issued Marriage License. The matter of "Two shall become one flesh" is associated with Holy unions, like Boaz and Ruth, who were used to create the Son of God, aka Pharez, in the patrilineal line of YaHushua Ha'Mashich, aka Jesus Christ. I do not believe that the writings commonly referred to as the New Testament are about what Christianity teaches. I believe they are about the Thousand Generation War Between the Sons of Darkness and the Sons of Light. We read about them in Matthew 13 and the Parable of the Wheat and Tares. Which brings us to the term "Born Again". This is a term that has been greatly distorted, but actually refers to the Royal Births of the Sons of God, aka the Sons of Light. The Wicked Sons of Darkness cannot be born again. When they are born by a natural man's seed, they are spiritually dead. This is why YaHushua, who is today called Jesus by Christianity, said “Let the dead bury the dead” The Righteous Sons of God, when they are Born, they were or are Born Twice. Their father's natural seed creates the flesh or body. The Royal Seed or Sperma of God, it creates the inner man or soul. Christian foolishness regarding sex and the State-Issued Marriage License has been used of SaTaN to distort this doctrine. I do not believe in proselytizing, that you do not choose God, but as it is written He chose you, before the foundation of the world, and calls you from the womb: 3Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb: 4And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.” ~ Isaiah 46:3-4 “16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.” ~ John 15:16 I do not believe what Christianity imputes regarding the term "Born Again", I believe that the Two who are joined together by YaHWeH become one flesh, when the man's seed/sperma creates the physical body. At the same time the natural birth is occurring, the Spiritual Birth is occuring, Two Births taking place simultaneously. This is what being Born Again means. If you remember in Luke 1 we read that Elizabeth was not filled with the Holy Spirit until the babe, John the Baptist, lept inside her womb. That was John the Baptist’s being Born Again. This is why Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 2:15: "The woman shall be saved through child bearing." We see the Holy Seed of YHWH enter into the babe, John the Baptist. The Holy Seed or Sperma in the Greek, is the Word of YHWH. This is why Christianity is so messed up. People do not comprehend that there are Two Families here, the Wicked who are Born of the Devil's Seed or Word, and the Righteous/Tzaddiq, who are Born Again by the Word of God. Wow! What an amazing truth. It's here that we see what happened to Eve when she listened to the Serpent, his words caused the spiritual death of Eve and every egg and all generations of Mankind that were in her ovaries. Christianity does not comprehend that the Words of the Devil and God, whose real Name is YHWH or YaHWeH, are their seed respectively. Read this verse: “Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.” ~ Proverbs 18:21 James wrote (1:18) of the spiritual birth: 18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. In summation we read in Matthew 13 of the Wheat and Tares. But what are they? Christian false doctrine teaches that the Wheat are the offspring, both male and female, of God, and the Tares are the offspring, both male and female, of the Devil. This is not true either.. Christian ministers changed the Greek texts to use the modern term CHILDREN, which is a modern gender-inclusive term that did not exist when the Greek writings now called “The New Testament” were written. The Greek word huios G5207, which is only used in the Greek text to mean “Son(s)”, was altered to read CHILDREN, and the writings of the Sons of God were distorted. Here is the most important passage regarding the Parable of the Wheat and Tares, Matthew 13:38. This single verse shows how messed up Christian doctrine is today: ERRONEOUS TEXT 38The field is the world; the good seed are the CHILDREN of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; CORRECTED TEXT 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the SONS of the kingdom; but the tares are the SONS of the wicked one; The Devil tricked Mankind, and Christianity appeared to offer a salvation that simply does not exist, when you read the texts properly. The Writings commonly called “The Holy Bible”, which is a retronymic made up term, are actually the Writings of the Sons of God, who are also called the Sons of Light. These sacred writings are truly about The Thousand Generation War Between the Sons of Darkness and the Sons of Light! Look at what Christianity has done to Matthew 5:9 by changing SONS to CHILDREN ERRONEOUS TEXT 9Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the CHILDREN of God. This was done by the Devil to make the Ishh H802, now called “woman women wife wives”, think the scriptures were written to them as well. CORRECTED TEXT 9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the SONS of God. The Ishh cannot be a Christian, because she is not male. To be Christlike is to be male. This is why John the Beloved wrote in Revelation 1 that YaHushua Ha'Mashich shed His blood to make us Kings and Priests. The Ishh or woman cannot be a King nor a Priest. YaHushua Ha'Mashich did not die for the Ishh now called woman women wife wives. Salvation only comes to a woman who is joined to a Righteous man. We see this in Genesis 7:1, when the LORD tells Noah to Enter into the Ark, that he alone is seen as Tzaddiq or Righteous in that generation: We see that the individual salvation of Christianity is not scriptural, but that household salvation of the Righteous Sons of God is. This is why we read of Cornelius, who is told to send to Joppa for Simon Peter who shall tell you words whereby you are saved, and your household. Acts 11 13And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter; 14Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. We read again in Acts 16 regarding the Phillipian jailer who asked “what must I do to be saved? He is told, to believe on YaHushua Ha'Mashich, aka Jesus Christ, and he will be saved and his household: Acts 16 29¶Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31¶And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ* (*YaHushua Ha'Mashich), and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Post Reply
WalkNTalk View Profile History	Women will be "SAVED" through child-bearing. (1 Timothy 2:15) Posted : 29 Mar, 2026 07:49 AM I got to agree with you on some points you have made. People have certainly gotten away from the scriptures. Post Reply
WalkNTalk View Profile History	Women will be "SAVED" through child-bearing. (1 Timothy 2:15) Posted : 29 Mar, 2026 08:13 AM Yes, there is definitely altering of the text of the Modern Day Bible. That was a complaint of nomoreusernamesleft who is no longer actively among us as he chose for better things to do than to be among heretics here. He also did not agree with marriage license and marriage certificates which replace Bible teachings and invalidate the Word of God so that we say it doesn't count without a marriage license and that it doesn't count without a certificate of marriage. But that is not what the scriptures say. Right or wrong, proper or improper, wedding or no wedding, we are one with whomever we join. (1 Corinthians 6:16) People do like to replace God's Word with other ideas. There is a woman here who particularly likes to do so. Post Reply
WalkNTalk View Profile History	Women will be "SAVED" through child-bearing. (1 Timothy 2:15) Posted : 29 Mar, 2026 03:40 PM Can you summarize your beliefs? as the closest I see to "Ntzrim" on the internet is "Notzrim". Post Reply
WalkNTalk View Profile History	Women will be "SAVED" through child-bearing. (1 Timothy 2:15) Posted : 29 Mar, 2026 08:19 PM I believe John the Baptist is Elijah re-incarnate as Jesus says Matthew Matthew 11:14 "And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come." (NIV) "Indeed, if you are willing to accept it, he is Eliyahu, whose coming was predicted." (CJB) "And if ye will receive it, this is Elijah, who was to come." (KJ21) Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born again and Nicodemus wondered how he would be able to come out of his mother's womb a second time, so I disagree with that the moment of physical birth that we have a spiritual rebirth at the very time we exit our mother's womb. I disagree with what you state on that. I think you misunderstand Christ. Post Reply
WalkNTalk View Profile History	Women will be "SAVED" through child-bearing. (1 Timothy 2:15) Posted : 29 Mar, 2026 08:22 PM But you are right that God foreknows his elect. Post Reply
WalkNTalk View Profile History	Women will be "SAVED" through child-bearing. (1 Timothy 2:15) Posted : 30 Mar, 2026 02:37 AM An outward symbolic declaration of that rebirth would be our practice of baptism that is to show that we are a new creation in Christ Jesus, "Yeshua" "Yehoshua" Post Reply
WalkNTalk View Profile History	Women will be "SAVED" through child-bearing. (1 Timothy 2:15) Posted : 30 Mar, 2026 02:57 AM Salvation did come to whole households (Acts 11:14, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:31 -34, Acts 18:8) so I have no problem with infant baptisms to say it. Babies are certainly a part of one's household. Some choose to dedicate their child to the Lord. Then later the child is baptized as a statement of coming to the Lord. Very similarly, circumcision was commanded by God and was applied first to Abraham, then male babies 8 days old and those males coming to the Jewish faith. Circumcision is an outward sign of a covenant of God for his people, Israel. Every male is to be circumcised. Baptism and circumcision are similar. But baptism is to announce a rebirth. We are born-again in Christ Jesus. Post Reply
WalkNTalk View Profile History	Women will be "SAVED" through child-bearing. (1 Timothy 2:15) Posted : 30 Mar, 2026 03:28 AM We should not be killing God's offspring. Ezekiel 16:20 says, "Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto Me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this thy whoredoms a small matter," (KJ21) “‘Moreover, your sons and daughters, whom you bore me, you took and sacrificed for them to devour. Were these fornications of yours a casual matter?" (CJB) Psalm 106:38 They shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters. Shall I leave their innocent blood unavenged? No, I will not.” (Joel 3:21) they have filled this place with the blood of the innocent. (Jeremiah 19:4) An unborn child has done nothing wrong and nothing deserving of death. Romans 9:10-12 states Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” In the Bible, if a virgin that was not pledged to be married were raped, that meant instant marriage, not abortion. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) Not that raping a woman ever went well for a man in the Bible as the cases where it did happen, death often followed. How do Christian women think abortion is a personal choice and alright under any circumstance? The Bible says to CHOOSE LIFE so that you and your children may live. (Deuteronomy 30:19) How does the church go along with such evil? The group that is called "PLANNED PARENTHOOD" is PLAN MURDER, PLAN DEATH. Is this to be welcomed into the church and welcomed onto Christian colleges? Women will be SAVED through childbearing, not abortion. (1 Timothy 2:15) CHOOSE LIFE (Deuteronomy 30:19) Post Reply

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