Do the SAINTS/CHURCH go thru the GREAT TRIBULATION folks???
Posted : 17 Mar, 2022 10:28 AM
Folks lets give the ultimate knock out PUNCH to the false teacher CULTISTrsvp, shall we???
Now CULTISTrsvp claims - That the 'tribulation is not meant for the saints it's meant for the wicked' ??? Check!
Obviously because CULTISTrsvp FAILS to realize the saints DO NOT get the plagues!!! GEESH! DUUUUH!
CULTISTrsvp also says - 1 Thessalonians 5:9 'says the church is not appointed to wrath' Check!
WELL DOUBLE DUUUUUH! NO kidding, because they RECIEVE NO WRATH my boy???
So here we have this WIMPY and SCARED FALSE teacher claiming no SAINTS/CHURCH will go thru the Great Tribulation! Correct readers?
Revelation 7:9-17 (KJV)
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb (Messiah!), clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our Father YHWH which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb (Messiah!).
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped Father YHWH,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our YHWH for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, >>>THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF {{{ GREAT TRIBULATION}}} , and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of YHWH, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
The NIV says this in key verses!
13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and >>>where did they come from<<<?”
14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”
And he said, “THESE ARE THEY WHO HAVE COME OUT OF THE{{{ GREAT TRIBULATION}}} ; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore, “they are before the throne of YHWH
and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne
will shelter them with his presence.
16 ‘Never again will they hunger;
never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat down on them,’[a]
nor any scorching heat.
17 For the Lamb (Messiah!) at the center of the throne
will be their shepherd;
‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’[b]
‘And YHWH will wipe away every tear from their eyes.
So readers, according to the false teacher CULTISTrsvp, you don't want to be one of those SAINTS/CHURCH that is tested during the >>>GREAT TRIBULATION<<< and have your 'robes washed' and have them made 'white in the blood of the Lamb (Messiah!)' in heaven! Nor does CULTISTrsvp teach you would then be 'before the throne of YHWH and serve him day and night in his temple' of YHWH??? There is something very VERY wrong with this OBVIOUS CULT infested FALSE TEACHER!!! Right???
Do the SAINTS/CHURCH go thru the GREAT TRIBULATION folks???
Posted : 17 Mar, 2022 11:26 AM
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dear people of God Teddy bugs would have you believe that his posting of Revelation 7:9 - 17 is a proof text that the church that saints will go through the tribulation
this is where cultists often times fail to employ proper biblical hermeneutics 101 👎👎
🤔 who are the saints pictured in Revelation 9 ❓❓ all we have to do is cross reference bible passages from other chapters to get the answer
Revelation 6:9
When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.
🙂💯👍 they are the martyred saints who reject the mark of the beast 666
Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw 👉👉👉👉👉👉 💡💡💡💡💡💡 the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
this in no way shape or form negates the rapture. 😉 They are those who are left behind the rapture -- the remnant few who recognize the mark of the beast will have eternal fatal consequences and again reject it ❗❗
Do the SAINTS/CHURCH go thru the GREAT TRIBULATION folks???
Posted : 17 Mar, 2022 07:16 PM
CULTISTrsvp goes on to post - QUOTE 'who are the >>>saints pictured<<< in Revelation 9?
Readers and BLIND 'bro' tinydavid, lets read what chapter >>>9<<< of Revelation has to say about the >>>saints pictured<<< supposedly there in description according to CULTISTrsvp, shall we???
Revelation 9:1-21 NKJV
Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months.
Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man. In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them. The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men. They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. And they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running into battle. They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months. And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon. One woe is past. Behold, still two more woes are coming after these things.
Then the sixth angel sounded: And I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind. Now the number of the army of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them.
And thus I saw the horses in the vision: those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow; and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone. By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed—by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which came out of their mouths. For their power is in their mouth and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents, having heads; and with them they do harm.
But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk. And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts. end quotes!
Dear readers and BLIND tinydavid! Do you all see a ANY >>>SAINTS<<< mentioned in all that chapter >>>9<<< of Revelation???????????????????????????????????????????? Because your WONDERFUL false teacher CULTISTrwvp says they are >>>PICTURED<<< there in that chapter clearly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????? NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL A 'cultists (that) often times fail(s) to employ proper biblical hermeneutics 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do the SAINTS/CHURCH go thru the GREAT TRIBULATION folks???
Posted : 18 Mar, 2022 10:58 AM
CULTISTrsvp posts - 'ANSWER no biggie it was a simple typo'
But this explains the story of CULTISTrsvp so called 'christian' life, disrespecting others like me (also claiming Ted and ADAM7777 said they was sinless???) by not proof reading, taking seriousness in what he posts and therefore has nothing really to participate in an actual debate and discussion with me. Another words he has many ERRORS (typos) in every thread he copies and pastes and therefore takes ownership of those CULT websites ERROR but when he does comment in his own words, or listing CONTEXT of verses/chapters, he does NOT check first!? TOTAL disrespect of this part of the forum, as well as the Bible! Let alone he posts PAGAN 'holidays' and CLAIMS its a Biblical topic WHEN THE BIBLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PAGAN and ROMAN CULT days of 'festivals' of satan, on satan's calendar!!! But back to my thread exposing CULTISTrsvp's CONTINUAL SINNING ERROR!
Dear fellow readers! Check this out..... In the thread - 'the jewish wedding system and the bride of christ' CULTISTrsvp the partialist or favorist (I have to get the 'ist' in there as he likes to give labels to everything! ) for he says -
QUOTE - 'The rapture of the church will take many millions of believers from the earth.' - BUT- 'The terrible death and destruction of the Great Tribulation will take many from the earth.'
Note how CULTISTrsvp says in NON Biblical words of his own, by his own unholy spirit, that Father YHWH is selective of who IN NUMBERS He is coming for in 1. the supposed dreamed up 'secret rapture' (pre-tribist view) to that of 2. His ONLY second coming and RESURRECTION day for His saints!?
That's right folks, CULTISTrsvp claims by his unholy spirit that there are 'many millions of believers' taken 'from the earth' during his ASSUMED (non Biblical!) 'secret rapture' (pre-tribist view) to that of the 'ones left behind' (hollywood movies of secret rapture!) which according to CULTISTrsvp unholy spirit, there will ONLY be 'many from the earth' and not millions during that resurrection day event!
QUOTE of CULTISTrsvp in his own unholy spirit words - 'The persecution and martyrdom of many of those who believe on Jesus after the (secret) rapture and during the Great Tribulation will take many from the earth.'
So the '64,000 dollar question' is WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY are the NUMBERS of those CLEARLY IDENTIFIED by John's prophecy vision and inspired writing that go THRU THE GREAT TRIBULATION, which of course are ALL the sinless saints living at that time WILL GO THRU but WILL NOT RECIEVE YHWH's WRATH obviously?????
Revelation 7:9-17 (KJV)
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, >>>a GREAT MULTITUDE, which no man could NUMBER, of ALL NATIONS, and KINDREDS, and PEOPLE, and TONGUES (LANGUAGES!), stood before the throne, and before the Lamb (Messiah!), clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
The NIV says in key verses!
13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and >>>where did they come from<<<?”
14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” (but CULTISTrsvp does not! )
And he said, “THESE ARE THEY WHO HAVE COME OUT OF >>>THE GREAT TRIBULATION<<< (that the CULTISTrsvp 'pre-tribist' is clueless about!); they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb (Have the FAITH >OF< Messiah and are sinless!).
There you have it folks! Who should we believe, the prophet of sinless John that says 'a GREAT MULTITUDE, which no man could NUMBER' or the admitted continual sinner CULTISTrsvp that says 'during the Great Tribulation will take (only) many (not even a hundred or thousand??) from the earth'
It seems clear to me readers CULTISTrsvp is clueless that there is ONLY ONE SECOND COMING in Father YHWH for His sinless saints and there is NOTHING secret about it because its a VERY LOUD event THE WHOLE ENCLOSED EARTH witnesses, said in the CONTEXT of the Bible, in WHICH 'a GREAT MULTITUDE, which no man could NUMBER' that come out of THE GREAT TRIBULATION clearly stated by John!!! Correct?
Looks like CULTISTrsvp looses another one of his many 'episodes' in which he has been refuted AGAIN and AGAIN! LOL! Its always fun to expose a no common sense, illogical, indoctrinated IDIOT like CULTISTrsvp! Its just too easy!
Do the SAINTS/CHURCH go thru the GREAT TRIBULATION folks???
Posted : 18 Mar, 2022 02:54 PM
@hugs
Hugs, too bad the 'christians' never read past chapter 3 of Revelation, or they would know they have been deceived by the self proclaimed DECEIVED pastors they trust so much.
Check!
Correct readers? 
and have your 'robes washed' and have them made 'white in the blood of the Lamb (Messiah!)' in heaven! 
Nor does CULTISTrsvp teach you would then be 'before the throne of YHWH and serve him day and night in his temple' of YHWH??? 
There is something very VERY wrong with this OBVIOUS CULT infested FALSE TEACHER!!! 
Right??? 
