š¤Ŗš¤Ŗ well here we go again dear readers another proof direct quote from fix a flat teddy that exposes his false teachings in particularly the heretical doctrine of oneness theology āā ļø
" The TRUTH of the subject is the SON is the EVERLASTING FATHER in the Flesh (John 1, Isaiah 9:6!) and you cannot comprehend YHWH can be several places at once!!! Because you cannot! " š¹š„ Fix a flat teddy
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āļø Oneness theology states that the Father was in the Son and that the person of Jesus was also the person of the Father. Of course, when we see instances in the Bible where Jesus prays to the Father, we naturally wonder how this can be if they are the same person. But, according to Oneness theology, Jesus was praying to the Father, the true divinity, though it was Jesus the man who was praying. But, how can this be? Was Jesus praying to Himself (since God is only one person in Oneness theology) and making it appear that He was praying to someone else?
āļø The problem with this is that it threatens the incarnation of the Word made flesh as a complete and single person. Jesus was both God and man in one person. He had a will. He ate. He slept, etc. He was a man. He needed to be a human in order to bear the sins of people. He needed to be God in order to offer a sacrifice to God the Father sufficient to cleanse us of our sins. No mere man could do this. But the fact is, Jesus was one personāand still is.2 Jesus was both God and man at the same time in the form of a single person.
āļø The Oneness explanation risks the error of Nestorianism. Nowhere in the Bible does it state that Jesus was two persons. Rather, we find scriptures where Jesus refers to Himself as āIā and āMeā and āmineā not āusā or āour.ā The Oneness position is simply in error.
āļøJesus was not praying to Himself. We see in Scripture, Jesus praying to the Father (John 17). We see Him addressing another person who is called God. We see Jesus saying, āNot my will, but your will be doneā (Luke 22:42) when he addressed God the Father. In other words, they had separate willsāat the same time. He was not praying to himself or an extension of himself or of a part of himself. He was praying to the person of the Father.
āļø Furthermore, according to Oneness theology, Jesus would have had to exist at the same time as the Father if Jesus the man was praying to the Father. If this is so and Jesus was addressing the Father, then we have two simultaneous personsāwhich is false. But in Oneness theology, this is a problem since God is only one person who occupies modes.
š¤How then could the āmodeā of the Father and the āmodeā of the Son be in existence at the same time if Oneness theology is correctā They cannot, which is another reason why Oneness theology is wrong
š¤ If the trinity was false then why are all three persons for example mentioned in the Great commission Matthew 28:19 go out to all Nations and baptize in the name of the Father the son and the Holy Spirit ā
part 2ļøā£ fix a flat teddy strikes out š«šand fails to misunderstand the Messianic prophecy Isaiah 9:6
āFor to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peaceā (Isaiah 9:6
Some in the Oneness movement use this verse as a proof text to show that Jesus really is the Father and that there is only a Unity, not a Trinity
many rulers in ancient times were considered āfather of the country.ā Americans who read this term might immediately think of George Washington who is called āthe father of his country.ā It was Washingtonās determination and leadership that led to victory in the Revolutionary War and his support of a strong national government that led (at least in part) to ratification of the U.S. Constitution. Without Washington, the United States might not exist today, or it might exist with a far different form of government. However, if some of the interpretations discussed so far are guilty of reading New Testament theological concerns into Isaiah in an anachronistic fashion, using George Washington as an interpretive clue to the meaning of the phrase is also anachronistic. The most appropriate analogy is far more universal.
In ancient times, the āfather of the nationā was viewed in much the same way as the father of a family. It was the father who was to protect and provide for his children. In the same way, this Child to be born will become a king who will be a father to the children of IsraelāHe will protect and provide for them. And His role as protector and provider will not be limited by aging or death. His role as father (protector and provider) will continue in perpetuity. Just how this will come about is not revealed in Isaiahās prophecy. š The full identity of the Messiahāthat He is God in the flesh, the second Person of the Trinity who would protect and provide for His people by His death and resurrection on their behalf; and that Gentiles could also be grafted into the family of Israelāmay be hinted at in Isaiah, but Godās people would have to wait almost 700 years to see the Messiah revealed in the āfullness of timeā see Galatians 4:4
Moon it IS a CULT when you worship BAAL and or the SUN on SUN-day! Even a child knows this from history because SUN/BAAL worship goes way back and the Bible describes it! So when are you going to be a child of YHWH and keep his TRUE Sabbath day!
RSVP still has not answered the obvious - For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, >>>Everlasting Father<<<, Prince of Peaceā (Isaiah 9:6
Butttt speaks some truth accidently when he states -
'the Oneness movement use this verse as a proof text to show that Jesus really is the Father and that there is only a Unity, not a Trinity' AMEN!
So this begs the question of which rsvp cannot answer! Are there TWO TWO TWO EVELASTING FATHERS!!!
But dum dum will not answer these simple questions while claiming to answer them in his thread before for readers! Why is that, because he likes his CULT teachings!
rsvp states - 'The full identity of the Messiahāthat He is God in the flesh, the second Person of the Trinity who would protect and provide for His people...'
Note that rsvp implies that the Father CANNOT protect and provide for His people but only the SON can! Absurdity when the Messiah did not exist in the Old Testament, that was yet to come, that is the FATHER would then put His WORD in the Flesh!! So WHO did before and rsvp gives no credit! he discredits one of his 'deities' and does this all the time when he describes a SINGLUAR 'god/gud.gawd' in his posts! He cannot even get his theology correct for himself to understand!!!
You don't worship YHWH when you call Him by a PAGAN name of 'god/gud/gawd' and so WHO are you worshipping then if you don't call Him by his name as the Bible says - I'am that I'am' and even the Son is the EVERLASTING FATHER in the flesh or 'I'am that I'am' stated in the gospels!
So WHO did before and rsvp gives no credit! 