And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Posted : 5 Apr, 2021 12:58 AM
There are two powers on earth, the power of satan and the power of God.
The prayer Jesus taught His disciples is: THY KINGDOM COME, THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH ( by man on earth )
To deliver us from evil ( DELIVER MAN FROM THE POWER OF SATAN ) as God is the power and the kingdom..
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Matthew 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Christ died and sins died with Him, the old man ( THE BODY OF SIN MIGHT BE DESTROYED) to not serve sin ( NO LONGER SERVE THE DEVIL IN MAN) circumcised with Christ in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh.
Turning man from the power of satan, unto God, to have forgiveness of sins..
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Remembering the ways of the Apostles, as the Kingdom of God is in POWER..
1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
18 Now some are puffed up, as though I would not come to you.
19 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power.
20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
To now be delivered from the power of darkness, to now be translated ( changed) to the Kingdom of Christ, walking worthy of the Lord now enabled and empowered, which is done by the redemption of Christ to forgive our sins, who made us meet ( able and made Holy) to be parttakers of the inheritance of the saints in light ( in Christ) through the sufferings of Christ, STRENGTHENED WITH ALL MIGHT ACCORDING TO HIS GLORIOUS POWER..
Colossians 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins
We are parttakers with Christ, who came to destroy the devil who had the power of death and deliver us ( man freed from sin/the devil) who were subject to it ( the law of sin and death Romans 7 and 8)...
Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Carnal and in Adam all die, and the end comes when all rule and authority and power ( of satan ) is put down and the last enemy to be destroyed is death ( the devil who had the power of death over man serving in the law of sin and death)..
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Death ( the devil power over death) reigned over the servants of sin ( servants of the devil) seen in the transgression of Adams sin * through then devil against the Lord from the beginning)...
Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
They who commit sin now, are of the devil, as the purpose of Christ ( why He parttaker with us ) was to destroy ( for us ) the works of the devil ( practising sin and sinning is all the devils works not the Lords Gods)...
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Salvation comes by satan being cast down, and the Kingdom of Christ and His power come ( THY KINGDOM COME)...
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
The beast goes into perdition, and the world wonders after the beast, who goes into perdition, and give their power unto the beast ( THE STRENGTH OF SIN IN THE LAW)
Death looses its sting and victory, as the strength of sin is the law, but Christ gives us the victory, as the law of the Spirit of life in Christ ( Christ rising from the dead ) made us FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH...
Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
The deceivers try to cover this day and victory of Christ up, but the man of sin, the son of perdition is revealed, who sits in every man temple on earth ( all the world wondering after the beast whose names not are written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world to destroy satan sinning from the beginning)
After the working of satan ( 1 John 3:8, the working of satan, the works of satan are destroyed, which are, he that commiteth sins is of the devil for the devil sinneth from the beginning against God)
The devil on earth then is all power and signs and lying wonders ( the deceivableness of sin, with all deceivableness of unrighteousness ) as Romans 7 testifies, sin deceived us and killed us, to not be hafrdened by this deceitfulness of sin...
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Romans 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Judas the same son of perdition fell from the ministry through transgression ( sin is the transgression of the law of Christ)....
John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Acts 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
The day of the judgement of Christ comes for the perdition of all ungodly men ( the sinners are the men of perdition transgressing the law by commiting sin )...
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
The prayer was thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth, the Kingdom of Christ came with power in man, to be freed from the power of satan of sinning, and after we have done the will of God , to not draw back to satan and sinning to perdition, is to live by faith to believe in the saving of the soul.
The commandments of God by the Lord Jesus are the will of God, which is our sanctification, possessing our body in sanctification and honour with no fornication, not in lust as those who know not God, not defrauding in any matter..
Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
1 Thessalonians 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
Our adversary the devil cannot terrify us, nor the servants of sin, which is evident token of them to perdition with the beast, but to the ones serving Christ called and faithful, to salvation, to believe in Christ and suffer for His sake, the spiritual warfare the Apostles won, knowing the same afflictions are ACCOMPLISHED IN OUR BROTHERS THAT ARE IN THE WORLD, then when we suffer for a while are make perfect to be stablished, the dominion belongs to Christ....
Philippians 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
30 Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear to be in me.
1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Likewise as Christ raised to life we are dead to sin, sin has finished in its dominion, we are made alive to God through Jesus Christ..
Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Suffering with and for Christ, as Christ suffered in the flesh ( against sin to destroy the works of sin/the devil ) we having the same mind of Christ ceased from sin, no longer in the flesh to the lusts if men, now to the will of God..
1 Peter 4: Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Posted : 5 Apr, 2021 01:16 AM
I am going to quote Teddy's words in the other thread, because it seems fitting with the verses above...
"David claims what the Messiah did, and did no sin but for some strange reason denies the POWER he had to have in order to keep from sinning, while He dwelled in the same flesh (likeness) we dwell in? Another words David claims what the Messiah did for him he could not do on his own (TRUE!) at first (our initial salvation) but does not claim the POWER from heaven from the Father YHWH to keep from sinning while on earth that the Messiah tapped into for an example to us to have CONTINUAL salvation the Father CONTINUES to offer us BY HIS POWER on a daily basis!"
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Posted : 5 Apr, 2021 08:42 AM
"David claims what the Messiah did, and did no sin but for some strange reason denies the POWER he had to have in order to keep from sinning, while He dwelled in the same flesh (likeness) we dwell in?"
For some strange reason, David denies the power, or for no strange reason at all, it is told why:
2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 HAVING A FORM OF GODLINESS, BUT DENYING THE POWER THEREOF thereof: from such turn away.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Posted : 5 Apr, 2021 08:50 AM
What happened to the rest of the prayer that went like this, forgive us our sins?
I have written to the children/young BECAUSE YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN YOU FOR HIS NAME'S SAKE.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE KNOWN THE FATHER ( HIS KINGDOM CAME AND GODS WILL DONE ON EARTH AS IN HEAVEN.)
BECAUSE YOU HAVE OVERCOME THE WICKED ONE (OVERCOME SIN THE GOD OF THIS WORLD,)
FOR THINE IS THE POWER (THROUGH CHRIST OVERCOMING SATAN)
1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Posted : 6 Apr, 2021 12:33 AM
Why say that there is no resurrection of the dead ?
Is the faith in vain ?
If there is no resurrection, and Christ is not risen, we are YET IN OUR SINS ( is that the right teaching ? )
But now Christ is risen..
1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
We are risen with Christ, through the faith of the operation of God, circumcised to put off the body of the sins of the flesh, FORGIVEN ALL TRESSPASSES.
Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
What good is it to teach that there is no resurrection, and to teach we are yet in our sins, to teach we must pray the prayer of Christ not risen, and to deny we are forgiven all tresspasses by the circumcision of Christ to bury with Him the body of the sins of the flesh ?
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Posted : 6 Apr, 2021 07:38 AM
Adam, if you want to be understood the first step would be to understand what you want to communicate. In other words you should understand your own teaching.
Aside from the verses you’ve quoted (usually outa context) everything else is basically unintelligible gibberish.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Posted : 7 Apr, 2021 09:21 AM
Father forgive our sins, as we never cease to believe in the risen Christ to be risen with Him to a new life, so we cant change a thing and cant stop sinning as we believe in still working ill to our neighbour, in the devils example to follow, and not that of Christ to follow, as clearly we deny anyone can follow that example too..
And that is not an empty prayer is it.
Luckily though there is a new Spirit praying, pity it has changed completely to not be able to recognise it unless you received the Spirit of truth.
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Posted : 7 Apr, 2021 11:25 PM
Friends and readers! Have you noticed that when David writes his CULT teachings, its supposedly perfectly (as in perfectly sinningism!) readable and
understandable (between his globlet ears! ) because he actually believes (he is his own best follower! ) his own garbage doctrine but when someone like Adam teaches easy to understand truth, its all of a sudden 'basically unintelligible gibberish' in the minds eye of secular globlet worshipper David? Yup its true, if you don't like the message of truth, its simply 'unintelligible gibberish' to the continual sinning perfectionist fool like David! Correct?
Its always a great idea, that when you want a discussion according to David, you begin with belittlement! Right? So why do I give him some of his own medicine? So he knows what it feels like by my verbal wrath back at him, because I cannot stand wicked accusers like David! David knocks it off and becomes respectable, then I will cease my verbal wrath upon him, its that simple! If no one calls David out, he will never stop showing his heresy of continual sinning-ism to perfection!
David writes - 'Adam then proceeds to quote and affirm a lie told by Flat Earth Teddy'
Then when he is trapped, David in his 'continual sinning-ism to perfection' doctrine and falsely accuses Teddy of 'lying' when all Teddy did was confirm that David knows what the Messiah did in dying for our >>>PAST<<< our repenting sins and that same Messiah did not EVER sin by the POWER of His Father in heaven and David denies that SAME POWER that was available to the Messiah to keep Him from sinning, is SOMEHOW not available to us today??? So where did I 'lie' according to you, you claiming there is no power available to us while we are here on level earth to keep from sinning? Is that not what you teach and LIVE???
Finally in all of David's accusations, he now accuses the Messiah of SPEAKING to NOT only the UNRIGHTEOUS continual sinners (like David claims to be daily! ) attending the sermon on the mount but somehow He is also speaking to the RIGHTEOUS that are suppose to be sinning???
REALLY? Then by definition 'RIGHTEOUS' cannot be so if they are SINNING! GEESH! Obviously The Messiah is THEN speaking ONLY to the UNRIGHTEOUS continual sinners praying for the very first time “...forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us...”!!!
Its all too easy to understand then, except for continual sinning to perfectionist like David that sins all the more to be FOUND even more
) because he actually believes (he is his own best follower! 
) his own garbage doctrine but when someone like Adam teaches easy to understand truth, its all of a sudden 'basically unintelligible gibberish' in the minds eye of secular globlet worshipper David? 
Yup its true, if you don't like the message of truth, its simply 'unintelligible gibberish' to the continual sinning perfectionist fool like David! 
Correct? 
Right? 
So why do I give him some of his own medicine? 
So he knows what it feels like by my verbal wrath back at him, because I cannot stand wicked accusers like David! 
David knocks it off and becomes respectable, then I will cease my verbal wrath upon him, its that simple! 
So where did I 'lie' according to you, you claiming there is no power available to us while we are here on level earth to keep from sinning? 
) attending the sermon on the mount but somehow He is also speaking to the RIGHTEOUS that are suppose to be sinning??? 
Then by definition 'RIGHTEOUS' cannot be so if they are SINNING! 
Obviously The Messiah is THEN speaking ONLY to the UNRIGHTEOUS continual sinners praying for the very first time “...forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us...”!!! 
