Author	Thread: Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian
phalom88 View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 28 Mar, 2021 02:45 PM I believe, from experience and the Bible, that being a real Christian means knowing the one true God of the universe personally, as a dynamic being with a real personality and an undeniable (though spiritual) presence, believing Him that He has a perfect satisfaction for one's desires and an absolute will to bring everything to a perfect end, and deciding (though not always succeeding in one's efforts, therefore only justified in Christ) to follow and depend on Him completely and absolutely. Nothing less. This definition specifically excludes anyone who does not have any personal experience with a spiritual being, as well as anyone who is not yet ready to fully submit every aspect of their life to Him. Result? Most of the people in modern Christian churches aren't real Christians. Does anyone also see this discrepancy? I'd love to talk to people who would call themselves Christians by this definition. Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 28 Mar, 2021 04:40 PM Welcome on board!!! Excellent thread concerning one of the most important biblical topics of all time and it’s one we should all love to discuss Thank you for posting it! Sadly, you’re right, too many in modern churches think they are already good enough or already “perfect” enough (yes some believe they are sinless and perfect). Many don’t believe they need salvation from God’s coming judgment and wrath because they are already “righteous” or so they think. They believe not doing certain things and doing other “good things” makes them deserve Heaven. Trouble is, the modern church has all but forgotten the tragedy in the Garden of Eden. it was in that perfect beautiful place that one little fruit picking sin was committed which brought immediate judgement and eventual death on the entire human race. But in the same Garden of Eden a promise was made: “the seed of the women would crush the serpents head”. God used a symbolic prelude as a demonstration, ie shedding the blood of an innocent animal. The innocent animal’s skins were then used as a sin covering for our sinful first parent’s. All that foretold the coming Messiah (the seed of the women) who would also shed his innocent blood in place of sinners and he would provide a covering of pure righteousness for them. His perfect acts of righteousness provides us with the Holy clothing necessary to enter and stand in Gods Holy presence and so escape his wrath. So basically, God took our sin and placed it on Jesus. Jesus took our sin to the cross in order to satisfy Gods wrath against us. So God not only paid for our sin but also took the righteousness of Jesus and placed it on us. HOW could ANYONE reject such a GREAT salvation?? Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 28 Mar, 2021 04:50 PM As a loving response of appreciation, Christians demonstrate true faith as they live a life of obedience for the glory of God. It’s not always perfect obedience but when a Christian sins it breaks his heart. This is the kind of God loves. Psalm 51:17 My sacrifice, O God, is[a] a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise. Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 28 Mar, 2021 04:52 PM Shoulda said, “ This is the kind of heart God loves. Psalm 51:17 My sacrifice, O God, is[a] a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise. Post Reply
Teddyhug^ View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 28 Mar, 2021 08:26 PM phalom88! Great to see a new poster that seems to understand Righteousness by FAITH from what I have read from you so far! Your correct there are many fake 'christians' from all kinds of 'church' backgrounds, even on this forum, that actually teach repentance in righteousness by continually sinning! Yicks! They say once you become a Christian, you have permission to keep on sinning, then all you have to do is say like a Psalms 51:17 prayer of 'My sacrifice, O God, is[a] a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.' everyday, you see? Sin then broken heart, same old sin then broken heart again, sin some more then broken heart AGAIN O God!!!??? You see the pattern of modern 'christianity' of repentance in righteousness by continually sinning! Repentance by definition is to TURN FROM SIN, not go back to sinning and the same old sins, right? This is what modern 'christians' do because they say 'It’s not always perfect obedience but when a Christian sins it breaks his heart' then sin some more of UN-perfect obedience! Note that these so called 'christians' are not like you in correctly claiming that - 'anyone who does not have any personal experience with a spiritual being, as well as anyone who is >>>not yet ready<<< to fully >>>submit every aspect of their life<<< to Him.' And so true, if they have NOT a personal experience in hearing His set apart Holy Spirit speaking to them and responding to the Father by His power available to them to keep them from sinning, then they are TRULY not ready to fully submit to Him and keep ALL of His commandments they could not keep before when they were YET sinners! Right? Note David presents a wonderful initial salvation message of Grace thru FAITH we are saved and not of ourselves, meaning while we are YET sinners He pardoned us of our past sins as a free gift by His death and all we needed to do was be sorry after we realized we were sinners then and broke His Eternal Law. But then David has little to say about continual salvation that comes after initial, which is proven by His POWER in us as new creatures in Christ, our works of which we cannot boast of because it comes by His POWER to become "His workmanship, created in Christ Yah'shua UNTO good works, which YHWH hath before ordained that we should (choose daily to) walk in them!' Its simply still a choice to daily choose as new Christians which of course are STILL free will creatures to be obedient to His Torah Law each and everyday but of course none of that is possible in our own strength and might. Would you agree? Post Reply
phalom88 View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 28 Mar, 2021 10:51 PM My post was not at all about Torah law... I believe that God has given us a completely new way to obey Him - instead of law, we follow His spiritual leading. My point is that people don't actually interact with His spiritual personality, only claim spirit and act on 'beliefs' and their interpretation of the Bible. Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 29 Mar, 2021 05:27 AM I like your Post Phalom . Oftentimes people think they are saved by following the Law. You have to have a Faith elationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ. No man is Completely Sinless in his flesh. Teddyhugs constantly like to just criticize others on this Biblical. Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 29 Mar, 2021 05:35 AM Faith " relationship" Edited Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 29 Mar, 2021 09:18 AM Phalom, you’ll have to remain resolute on this forum if you expect to withstand the coming assaults and accusations from the Arch Flat Earther TeddyBug (Teddyhug) who is also a self-proclaimed “Holy Spirit” sinless perfectionism advocate who claims he doesn’t sin anymore but only makes occasional “mistakes”—of which he never apologizes. Sorry to say you stepped in it when you disagreed with the flat earth perfectionist concerning Torah law keeping (which Flat Teddy IS NOT doing and has never done perfectly). Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 29 Mar, 2021 09:21 AM Phalom, would you expand on what you posted. I quote you here as follows, QUOTE: “My point is that people don't actually interact with His spiritual personality, only claim spirit and act on 'beliefs' and their interpretation of the Bible”. END QUOTE Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	Definition of Salvation / Being a Real Christian Posted : 29 Mar, 2021 09:26 AM Phalom, added note, nearly all posters on biblical have been victims of Flat Earth TeddyBug’s attacks as he exaggerates and lies about what we’ve posted—so welcome to the club Post Reply

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