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If a born again believing Christian commits suicide is this an unpardonable sin?
Posted : 14 Mar, 2021 09:58 AM
Over the past 20 years from time to time I get this question from worried loved ones who fear that a born again believing family member friends coworkers neighbors etc etc who have committed suicide lost their salvation
according to the Bible, suicide is not what determines whether a person gains entrance into heaven. If an unsaved person commits suicide, he has done nothing but “expedite” his journey to hell. However, that person who committed suicide will ultimately be in hell for rejecting salvation through Christ, not because he committed suicide (see John 3:18). We should also point out, however, that no one truly knows what was happening in a person’s heart the moment he or she died. Some people have “deathbed conversions” and accept Christ in the moments before death. It is possible that a person who commits suicide could have a last-second change of heart and cry out for God’s mercy. We leave such judgments to God (1 Samuel 16:7).
the suicide of a believer is evidence that anyone can struggle with despair and that our enemy, Satan, is “a murderer from the beginning” (John 8:44). Suicide is still a serious sin against God. According to the Bible, suicide is murder; it is always wrong. Christians are called to live their lives for God, and the decision of when to die is God’s and God’s alone.
May God grant grace and the psalmist’s perspective to each one who is facing trials today: “Why, my soul, are you downcast? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior and my God” (Psalm 43:5)
If a born again believing Christian commits suicide is this an unpardonable sin?
Posted : 14 Mar, 2021 11:18 AM
First of all, another excellent post.
Second, there is absolutely no scripture anywhere referring to or even implying that suicide is an “unpardonable sin”. For sure it’s a sin because it’s a self murder.
Third, there’s a man in the book of Hebrew’s Faith Hall of Fame who committed suicide named Samson. His last words after his prayer to God for vengeance was, “let me die with the Philistines” and then Samson caused a huge building to fall on himself and his enemies.
I’m sure some people will try to nuance the exact meaning of the term suicide. I’ve heard some say Samson really didn’t commit suicide in the true sense of the word.
But couldn’t Samson have prayed for a different opportunity to kill his enemies without having to kill himself?
Whatever the case, Samson did not “lose his salvation” when he caused his own death.
And then there was Judas who was one of Jesus’ twelve disciples. After Judas, who betrayed Jesus, commuted suicide he went straight to hell.
But some SUPER IGNORANT people actually believe Judas was saved at one time and then lost his salvation!!! WHERE IN SCRIPTURE DOES IT SAY JUDAS LOST HIS SALVATION??!! Where in scripture does it say ANYBODY looses their salvation??!
I need to start a thread on that one again.
The OT clearly foretold of Jesus’ betrayer, the great pretender (“my friend...”), and Jesus chose Judas, to fulfill that scripture!! THATS WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS
Sadly!! Lots of people who erringly believe >>it is they who keep themselves saved<< must conclude they can also loose their salvation. Sad sad sad. Why do they ignore scripture that teaches otherwise????
If a born again believing Christian commits suicide is this an unpardonable sin?
Posted : 14 Mar, 2021 11:24 AM
Bottom line and in short..... rsvp properly states - 'Suicide is still a serious sin against God. According to the Bible, >>>suicide is murder;<<< it is always wrong.
As a REAL Christian, you are bought with a price and your life is NOT your own anymore! And rsvp, when a so called 'christian' pulls the trigger there is no time to repent or did you not take that into consideration in your suicide stories in 'person’s heart the moment' to their end?
BUTTTTT with the unbeliever he/she is 'toast' from the get go with ending suicide because they had no ongoing relationship with YHWH anyway, so satan wins that life because now they have no chance (books are closed in heaven ) to live a sin free life by the POWER of YHWH above! Shown to us by the PERFECT life lived by Yah'shua the Messiah as an example of how we can live IF WE FOLLOW THAT EXAMPLE by the POWER from heaven that Yah'shua tapped into DAILY when he walked this earth!
Oh and your continual false doctrine keeps showing its ugly LIES rsvp!? Everyone that dies goes to 'hell' (you might want to look up the definition of that word 'hell'?) for its just the grave yard bubba! OK? Its only the first death that the Bible talks about, right? Its the second death (Rev. 20:6,9) to which there is no resurrection and that's in the one day made 'lake of fire' (Rev. 19:20) for continual sinners that love their daily sins, which of course are the unrighteous, the filthy still!
So the righteous (clean still at His coming) can only possibly die one death (accident, sickness etc before His coming) but the wicked unrighteous continual sinners WILL die two deaths! Correct?
If a born again believing Christian commits suicide is this an unpardonable sin?
Posted : 14 Mar, 2021 11:36 AM
For David posts ONLY his manmade opinion when he states -
'Sadly!! Lots of people who erringly believe >>it is they who keep themselves saved<< '
Lets help him. But what does the Bible say?
Philippians 2:12 'Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, >>>work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.'<<<
Sadly!! Lots of FALSE TEACHERS who erringly believe in their own doctrine, just, 'erringly believe' in it!
If a born again believing Christian commits suicide is this an unpardonable sin?
Posted : 14 Mar, 2021 12:27 PM
David also 'erringly' posts! - "Where in scripture does it say ANYBODY looses their salvation??!"
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are >>>written in this book:<<< 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the >>>book of life,<<< and out of the holy city, and from the things which are >>>written in this book.<<<
So much for David's THEORY (like his 'gravity' theory) no one can loose their salvation??? But of course there is more!
Revelation 14:9 'And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,'
10 'The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:'
11 'And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.'
So WHO are those saints in verse 12 that DO NOT take the 'mark of the beast' and have PATIENCE not too? Why none other than those that KEEP all of the commandments of YHWH, no not 8 of them like the cathholic 'church' teaches and not 9 of them that David teaches when he says the Sabbath is no longer kept! Besides Isaiah would disagree with the cathholic 'church' and David anyway! (Read future PROPHECY in Isaiah 66:23!)
12. 'Here is the patience of >>>the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God,<<< and the faith of Jesus.'
If a born again believing Christian commits suicide is this an unpardonable sin?
Posted : 14 Mar, 2021 01:07 PM
Fix a flat Earth Teddy just shot himself in the foot deflating his ego and once again committed theological suicide
1 John 3:15 says
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him
So it begs the question if you have even hated someone even once according to your face value interpretation of this passage then you lose your salvation get your name wiped clean from the Lamb's book of Life and will receive eternal damnation
Revelations 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death
So the 64,000 question fix a flat have you ever hated anybody once just once ? And please be honest heaven and earth as witness otherwise that makes you twice as eligible for the second death
spot on little David about Sampson .............. If one believes that suicide can cost them salvation because it is self administered homicide then one should claim that lying stealing looking at a woman with lust adultery are self administered and the mere thoughts of entertaining them should cost them salvation as well ?
James 1:14 and 15
but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed
Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death
If a born again believing Christian commits suicide is this an unpardonable sin?
Posted : 14 Mar, 2021 01:28 PM
Fix a flat also said this about hell
" .........for its just the grave yard bubba! OK?
Really?! tell that to the rich man in hell .........Luke 16:24 24 And he called out, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and ncool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame
Funny looking grave sounds to me like hell how about you? And of course as we all know Lazarus went to Abraham's bosom he didn't stay in a grave
If a born again believing Christian commits suicide is this an unpardonable sin?
Posted : 14 Mar, 2021 01:41 PM
So your into the name game now like David, great 'christian' testimony rsvp!
Obviously your a pagan globe worshipper, yet cannot find one verse that says the earth is a ball or sphere??? I thought so!
So you gave 1 John 3:15 that says ' hateth his brother, is a murderer' and if you repent (turn away) and stop 'hating' then your saved form that sin of death. Correct? So do you EVER GO back to it because you have the POWER of YHWH to NEVER go back to that sin???
So what was your point again rsvp?????????
Then there are all the sins mentioned in Revelations 21:8 that you gave that the UNRIGHTEOUS ARE STLL COMMITTING and suffer the FINAL second death!" And somehow that applies to the SAINTS that are NOT committing them rsvp???
So what was your point again rsvp?????????
So the 64,000 dollar question to repair the leaking GLOBE model is are you ever going to hate a brother rsvp or commit any of those sins in the future OR on anybody once, just once? And please be honest YHWH in heaven and earth when that day might come by your choice to DENY the POWER from heaven to NOT do so, as a witness otherwise that makes you twice as eligible for the second death yourself, doesn't it rsvp?
Your whole post is about focusing on PAST SINS of sinners that were not saints then??? Does not satan like to remind you of your past sins rsvp? There cast to the depths off the sea rsvp! Or are you still doing them? Wake up, from your present sins THEN, you and David keep telling us you commit, claiming its really righteous sins somehow???
If a born again believing Christian commits suicide is this an unpardonable sin?
Posted : 14 Mar, 2021 01:49 PM
rsvp says - 'Really?! tell that to the rich man in hell ........'
That's a parable Einstein!!!
So you really believe the saints will be able to 'dip their finger in water" and go wet the tongue to those suffering in the lake of fire outside the Holy City, when they attack the Holy City, after the thousand year millennium (Rev. 20:7-9)???
If a born again believing Christian commits suicide is this an unpardonable sin?
Posted : 14 Mar, 2021 02:06 PM
a spherical earth explains the curved shape of Earth’s shadow as it crawls across the moon during a lunar eclipse—no matter the moon’s place in the sky. Fourth, no place on a flat-disk earth would conceal the North Star, which in actuality becomes invisible from the Southern Hemisphere. For that matter, one notices a shift in star positions when traveling north or south, which also confirms a spherical earth.
Flat-Earth arguments fall flat in the face of forceful biblical and scientific evidence for Earth’s roundness.
And rsvp, when a so called 'christian' pulls the trigger there is no time to repent or did you not take that into consideration in your suicide stories in 'person’s heart the moment' to their end? 
) to live a sin free life by the POWER of YHWH above! 
Shown to us by the PERFECT life lived by Yah'shua the Messiah as an example of how we can live IF WE FOLLOW THAT EXAMPLE by the POWER from heaven that Yah'shua tapped into DAILY when he walked this earth! 
Everyone that dies goes to 'hell' (you might want to look up the definition of that word 'hell'?) for its just the grave yard bubba! 
OK? Its only the first death that the Bible talks about, right? 
And somehow that applies to the SAINTS that are NOT committing them rsvp??? 
Does not satan like to remind you of your past sins rsvp? 
There cast to the depths off the sea rsvp!