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Should you follow laws that are wrong?
Posted : 2 Mar, 2021 12:33 PM

The 10 commandments are generally universal laws, it is pretty obvious that stealing and murder are wrong.

There are many laws set out by governments these days, the question is if a law is morally wrong do you still follow it?

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Should you follow laws that are wrong?
Posted : 2 Mar, 2021 08:05 PM

Could you please be more specific and give an example?

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Posted : 2 Mar, 2021 09:53 PM

Ummmm Marcouse, the '10 commandments are generally universal laws' and are you serious dude??? Those LAWS ARE FOR ALL MANKIND, NOT 'generally universal' as he/she will be judged by every single one of them! You break ONE, the Bible says you have broke them all! Stealing and or murder and or breaking the Sabbath its all HOLY LAW and its what we will ALL be judged by! The Law does not offer salvation but only identifies what sin is and therefore WHO the sinner is, which of course those wanting sinners require DEATH of that sinner come judgment day when continually breaking ANY one of them!



As far as the government laws, they mean basically nothing to me because I can only be fined or thrown in prison (like Paul and others) for 'breaking them. HEY, I might even be KILLED for not taking the 'mark of the beast' but they cannot take away eternal life offered from Father YHWH above when I OBEY His LAWS out of LOVE to Him, which is all that matters! Correct? So what are these 'morally wrong' manmade laws (compared to the Bible?) you are hinting at and can you give us an example like ktotam asked???

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Posted : 3 Mar, 2021 12:44 AM

"There are many laws set out by governments these days, the question is if a law is morally wrong do you still follow it?"





"Hiding behind the Bible is not going to negate your part in this reality. I'm humble enough to know that I am limited to how much I can do to improve the world and not contribute to the harm caused to other people. I am contributing to bad things in the world every time I start my car (petro dollar), pay tax, buy goods from a poor country or even acknowledge the opinion of an oppressive corporation known as the government that does not have mine or anyone else's best interests at heart."





The first problem here is, no biblical authority. The bible is the living word, that always has been, always will be, and the word literally needs to live in us, if we are to live.





The first thing to do is remember what way God established, God used the Kings of Persia to perform all His pleasure on Jerusalem ( which is for all of us in the world too)..





Isaiah 44:28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.







Artaxerxes the Persian king moved by God regarding Jerusalem, has this in scripture for us, how judgement executed speedily, comes on everyone that refuses the law of God, to death, loss of goods or imprisonment..





Ezra 7:26 And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.

27 Blessed be the Lord God of our fathers, which hath put such a thing as this in the king's heart, to beautify the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem:





We see Ecclesiastes is linked with this, about the sentence of evil work not executed speedily and that is why men are fully set to do evil..





Ecclesiastes 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.







That then continues on what was always established by God, that paying of the customs and obeying laws that are right, avoid wrath being executed upon those that do evil..



Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.







After this, when we love another, we fulfil that law of God, which is to do no harm to anyone by our own actions, to please ourselves..





Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.







We work with our own hands to give to those in need...





Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.







"I am contributing to bad things in the world every time I start my car (petro dollar), pay tax, buy goods from a poor country"







We know God made all things, nobody else made anything, and God declared all that was made as:







Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.







The purpose why God made fuels, and gave wisdom to man to be able to develop, and make technology, is what we are taking part in today, communication of the world linked together. So all God gave into the hands of man cannot be bad, it is only how man uses the resources/wisdom, that is bad.



Then using fuels is began by God who made the world with them to be found and developed, all the authorities are began by God, including tributes/taxes, even though the governments are corrupt, God still creates stability in the laws, who cant know that ? The world never was intended by God to have fairness in it, but our particular role in it is simple, not by hiding behind the bible as Marcousse puts it, but by embracing the scriptures, then we had one desire, to end the world by giving the testimony required to end it:







Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.







That right away tells who is a pretender, as they reject Gods words that take death and suffering away, to show the words they trusty in, was their own, and they in their heart want this evil world to continue on forever, as it suits them to lie and cheat in it even in Gods name..



Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.



Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 But the fearful, and UNBELIEVING, and the abominable, and murderers, and WHOREMONGERS, and sorcerers, and IDOLATERS, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is HE SECOND DEATH.

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Posted : 3 Mar, 2021 07:02 AM

in place of the Old Testament law, Christians are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39). If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us.....“All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:40).



now, this does not mean the Old Testament law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament law can be a good guidepost for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor. At the same time, to say that the Old Testament law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some of it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it





as far as civil disobedience for example if the government tells a pastor he cannot preach against homosexuality “We must obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29) ......... as for rebelling against a ridiculously high traffic ticket ...... definitely seek wisdom from the holy Spirit on that , it would probably be better to take a blessed are the peacemakers approach than have your car towed

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Posted : 3 Mar, 2021 10:23 AM

I know the 10 commandments are for all mankind but try telling that to an atheist. They will however agree with the laws concerning theft and murder hence the term universal.

The mark of the beast has been coming in as a slow roll for years. The next step is mandatory vaccines and documented proof or you will face restrictions. Effectively people are turning their bodies over to government control.

Any so called killer disease is about as dangerous as flu as far as I can see. Considering the size of the worlds population hardly anyone has died. The day everyone is proclaiming peace and safety is when destruction will come by design. Most people are going with the program with no thought or push back so they pretty much deserve whats coming.

When governments call people to war putting a uniform on and killing people does not mean that you are not a murderer.

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Posted : 3 Mar, 2021 10:47 AM

Part 1:





"in place of the Old Testament law, Christians are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39). If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us.....“All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:40)."





How do we love our neighbour as ourself ?



Ephesians 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:





By cherishing and nourishing, even as the Lord the church.



Yet, hevensgrpcalling states all the time he fails to love others always, by sometimes sinning against them, as he insists in his threads we sin and cant stop. So much for fulfilling all that Christ requires of us by hevsgrpcalings confusion how he breaks the non sinning way and claims that has fulfilled it..



To fulfil the law of Christ is this as testified exactly:



Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

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Posted : 3 Mar, 2021 10:48 AM

Part 2:



"now, this does not mean the Old Testament law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament law can be a good guidepost for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor. At the same time, to say that the Old Testament law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some of it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it"





Then, placing some enlightenment back onto the darkness, we remember we had the commandment from the beginning to love one another, but that was in the dark. Part of Christ being the sacrifice that is pure enough to stop the darkened conscience,

reveals why nothing done in the old testament was by the love of Christ, which we have to believe in by only after Christ laying His life down for us, shows the way of the love of God for the first time ever.





1 John 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.



1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.





"The Old Testament law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies"





Judged by the law of liberty, which is, not those who hear the law are just before God, but THOSE WHO DO JUSTLY, whether the teacher here wants to accept it or not, the doing of the law is to do justly and then to be justified, because someone these guys don't know, adultery, killing, all transgression of the law to not sin against your neighbour, means not justified before Christ..



Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)





James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.



1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

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Posted : 3 Mar, 2021 10:49 AM

Part 3:





Pastors are false, whether they teach against or for God, and Acts 5 is the Apostles of the Lord, we know who they are, why rebel because a devil possessed man wants you to join him against the Lord and you don';t recognize the wolf in sheep's clothing ?



Take wrong and take defrauding, that is the teaching of you remember any ?



1 Corinthians 6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?



1 Peter 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

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Posted : 3 Mar, 2021 11:01 AM

"The mark of the beast has been coming in as a slow roll for years. "





Gods word is better or a mans personal idea...





The mark in the right hand is the mark of the beast, which happens to be a lie in the right hand....





Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:



Isaiah 44:20 He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?





This is why God sends the delusion as testified for men to believe a lie ( to have the mark of the beast then in them) to be damned by having PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS..





2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.





Continued, the wrath of God then is REVEALED, from HEAVEN, against all UNRIGHTEOUSNESS OF MEN, who hold the truth in UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, which is BELIEVING IN A LIE, and is NOT BELIEVING THE TRUTH ( righteousness escapes the beast)..





Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.





So the devil comes with debate ( hear them here right now in the threads) WITH ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS ( their teaching is that it is heresy to stop sinning ?) that is their DECEIT, wickedness, their covetousness, their pride, boasting, inventing non stop evil surmisings, showing no understanding by rejecting all of Gods word testified constantly in their sight, having no mercy or natural affection ( they are lovers of pleasures and themselves) and THEY HAVE PLEASURE IN THEM THAT DO THEM..





Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

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Posted : 3 Mar, 2021 11:04 AM

In terms of evangelizing atheists, we should not hold back the gospel from someone just because he or she claims to be an atheist. Do not forget that an atheist is just as lost as a Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist. God certainly wants us to spread the gospel (Matthew 28:19) and to defend the truths of His word (Romans 1:16).



On the other hand, we are not obligated to waste our time trying to convince the unwilling. In fact, we are warned not to expend excessive effort on those who are clearly disinterested in any honest discussions (Matthew 7:6). Jesus told the apostles to go and preach the Word, but He did not expect them to stay anywhere until every last person had been converted (Matthew 10:14)



As far as the question should Christians yield to the government's mandates in regards to the vaccine? I would say that this is where we draw the line with the render unto Cesar what is Caesar's ..... You're right there isn't enough scientific proof to substantiate to warrant us taking the vaccine......... satan and his demons are behind this and this kind need much purring fasting to be removed ........ Here is where we render unto God what is God's and not let our bodies be guinea pigs

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