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Posted : 7 Jan, 2021 09:51 AM

let’s look at some of the verses that support the difference of roles among the three persons of the Trinity.



The Father sent the Son. The Son did not send the Father (John 6:44; 8:18; 10:36; 1 John 4:14)

John 5:37, “And the Father who sent Me, He has borne witness of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.”

Jesus came down from heaven, not to do his own will, but the will of the Father.

John 6:38, “For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.”

Jesus performed the redemptive work. The Father did not.

2 Cor. 5:21, “He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”

1 Pet. 2:24, “and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.”

Jesus is the only-begotten. The Father is not.

John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.”

The Father gave the Son. The Son did not give the Father or the Holy Spirit.

John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.”

The Father and the Son send the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not send the Father and the Son.

John 14:26, “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things…”

John 15:26, “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father…”

The Father has given the elect to the Son. Scripture does not say that the Father gave the elect to the Holy Spirit.

John 6:39, “And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.”

The Father chose us before the foundation of the world. No indication that the Son or the Holy Spirit chose us.

Eph. 1:4, “just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him…”

The Father predestined us to adoption according to the intention of his will. This is not said of the Son or the Holy Spirit.

Eph. 1:5, “He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will.”

We have redemption through Jesus’ blood, not the blood of the Father or the Holy Spirit.

Eph. 1:7, “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.”





let’s summarize. We can see that the Father sent the Son (John 6:44; 8:18). The Son came down from heaven not to do his own will (John 6:38). The Father gave the Son (John 3:16), who is the only begotten (John 3:16), to perform the redemptive work (2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Pet. 2:24). The Father and Son sent the Holy Spirit. The Father, who chose us before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4), predestined us (Eph. 1:5; Rom. 8:29), and gave the elect to the Son (John 6:39).



It was not the Son who sent the Father. The Father was not sent to do the will of the Son. The Son did not give the Father, nor was the Father called the only-begotten. The Father did not perform the redemptive work. The Holy Spirit did not send the Father and Son. It is not said that the Son or the Holy Spirit chose us, predestined us, and gave us to the Father

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Posted : 7 Jan, 2021 10:31 AM

One of the most clearly attested to and scripturally informed doctrines of the Bible is the Doctrine of Trinity!

This doctrine so clearly demonstrated throughout the Bible that no objective Bible believer would deny it.

Only heretics, false teachers and the willing ignorant are brazenly obtuse (obtuse by choice) enough to resist its plain truth

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Posted : 7 Jan, 2021 11:10 AM

That's right because without the Trinity there's no salvation

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Posted : 7 Jan, 2021 12:41 PM

Revelation 13 teaches us the anti-Trinity. The dragon is anti-Father, beast from the sea is anti-Christ, and beast from the earth is anti-Spirit. The Bible is incredible beyond words.

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Posted : 7 Jan, 2021 01:33 PM

Yes it does the unholy blasphemous Trinity

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Posted : 8 Jan, 2021 03:00 AM

The Jews did nor believe that Jesus is God, this is the WORD of God, to abide in us for who believes..





John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.





That is the Spirit of truth, God, the Father and God the Son, as there is no difference, and it is God singular who lives in us but is three persons ( or ways to consider Him) who is a Father, a Son for us to call to the Father with the Son in us and who is that Holy Spirit for us to be also Holy with..



John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.





John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.







The Father has handed all to the Son, to honour the Son even as the Father..





John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.





Then again the Jews cannot believe in the Son, they are not given and cannot go to Him.



Jesus gathers His sheep, it is the same will of the Father, there is no difference..



John 6: 36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.





This shows how the Father and the Son are one, as the will of Christ is the very same will He is doing of God, as He is God, to lose nobody and to raise them up with Him..



John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.





John 10:30 I and my Father are one.









John 5:22, all judgment is commited to the Son.



Christ commited Himself to Him that judges righteously, which is the Son who has all judgement comitted to Himself.



We must be dead to sins, no more commiting sins as seen in Christ, and return to the ONE Shepherd who is God, the Lord is our Shepherd and there is ONE LORD..





1 Peter 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.



Ecclesiastes 12:11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd. John 10:16.



Psalm 23:1 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.



Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,







It is also God Himself that did the redemption, this is the love of God who layed His life down for us..





1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.





To know the peace of God is to know the love of Christ, both pass all knowledge and all understanding as this is the fulness of God through Jesus Christ, who was once in a body now we know God through the Spirit only....



Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.



Ephesians 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.



2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.





The mystery of God is great, God was seen in the flesh, and received up to glory, Jesus Christ the name above all names (this is Gods name) who in a body loved us ( God) and was the first begotten of the dead for us to follow..





1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.



Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,







Who gave who ? All things are of God, and God reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ * the person of Christ who is God) as God was in Christ, and so Christ is God, who gave His life for us as it is God who is love..



2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.



1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.







Who sends who ?





The Spirit, is the Spirit of Christ, who was always in the ones filled with the Holy Spirit.



The Spirit of God is that same Spirit of Christ.



We need that supply of the Spirit of Christ.



Christ went away from earth to prepare Heaven for man, then He returned to receive us again to Himself, that is Christ returning to comfort us, the comforter and comfort is Christ..



1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.



Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.



Philippians 1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,



John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.



John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.







The Son is before the foundation of the world, and we are foreordained in Him before the foundation of the world too..





1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,



1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;





The Fathers will is that of the Son, as all is done through and by Jesus Christ, redemption through God being made flesh, to die for us and give us HIs blood, so we be holy and without blame before Him in love..





Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;



Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:







God created all and all is for His pleasure, Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, but who denies this but the antichrist?





John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.



2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.



as for the devil in three, there is one god of this world, just as there is one God of Heaven, Jesus Christ who is the image of God and the image of the beast is the devil..



2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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Posted : 8 Jan, 2021 07:40 PM

Uh-oh Adam, if you believe in the Trinity, Flat Earth Teddy ain’t a gonna like that!!

Are you sure you’re really ready to meet the Flat Earth Priest of CDFF when yer believing in the Trinity ??

Don’t worry, Flat Earth Teddy don’t have any FLAT EARTH facts to hit ya wid anyway!!

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Posted : 11 Jan, 2021 04:04 PM

Nice try David putting words in ADAM'S post but ADAM never used the EGYPTIAN word 'trinity' in his post! You are such a LIAR David!

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Posted : 11 Jan, 2021 04:31 PM

ADAM7777 in CONTEXT actually posted - 'That is the >Spirit< of truth, God, the >Father< and God the >Son<, as there is no difference, and it is >>>God singular<<< who lives in us but is three persons ( or >>>ways to consider Him<<< >>>God singular<<< ) who is a Father, a Son for us to call to the Father with the Son in us and who is that Holy Spirit for us to be also Holy with.. John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.



ADAM posts - 'The Spirit of God is that same Spirit of Christ.' What part of oneness of YHWH don't you understand about ADAM'S post David???



Note what else ADAM posts David -



'God created all and all is for His pleasure, Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, but who denies this but the antichrist?'



'John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.'



'John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.'



So where is the EGYPTIAN word 'trinity' in his post again!? Did you notice he posted 'Jesus Christ is God in the flesh' and NOT NOT NOT another 'God' but the Father Himself in the flesh, that become flesh as we are!



Isaiah 9:6 – The Almighty YHWH and EVERLASTING FATHER in the flesh! (John 1:1-3, 14) Sooo what was the Messiah >before< becoming a Son and a man in flesh but the Father's very own set apart WORD! WAKE UP DAVID from your CULT!

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Posted : 11 Jan, 2021 04:43 PM

That is a CULT teaching RSVP to state believer s have to believe in the EGYPTIAN CULT 'trinity' to have 'salvation' as you claim my false teaching friend. Show me where the Bible uses that word??? Its NOT there!



All throughout the Bible it calls the Holy Spirit is FROM the Father and never a 'person' of itself!? Where does the Bible say YHWH's Holy Spirit comes back to earth sitting on the Father's left hand side or at all for His NONE sinning saints???? Its ONLY the SON that is on His right hand side! WAKE UP!

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Posted : 11 Jan, 2021 04:53 PM

Wiseway! Revelation 13 teaches us that the dragon is SATAN and 'beast' (kingdom) from the sea is the catholic 'church' the W.H.O.R.E and the other 'beast'; (kingdom) from the earth could be USA Russia or China for all we know at this point that does the dirty work for the first catholic 'beast' .(kingdom)!



They are NOT a EGYPTIAN trinity but SATAN and two world POWERS! Study history and your Bible!

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