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John chapter 1
Posted : 4 Oct, 2020 12:21 PM

Having been in many churchs in my life, and heard teachings on who they think Yeshua (Jesus) is, not once has this chapter been taken into account WHY?



After all it is in this chapter, that we find Yeshua, and HaShem, (God) are one and the same. Should we true follows not seek to understand the one we say we follow? Is not a part of truly understanding, and loving the one we follow knowing who they are?



I have heard the Father Son and Holy Spirit teaching many times. Yet when asked, "Is not the Spirit of HaShem HaShem?" the answers never seem to fit.



I will leave you something to think on before anyone post a reply.

If we teach that every word in the Bible is true, yet wish to hold that HaShem and Yeshua are not the same, how can we say that John chapter 1 holds truth?

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John chapter 1
Posted : 4 Oct, 2020 01:25 PM

Might be just me missing the point, but what are you saying?

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John chapter 1
Posted : 4 Oct, 2020 01:34 PM

God the Father, Jesus his Son and Holy Spirit are One.

Believers know Truth .



Many other False religions out there.

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Posted : 4 Oct, 2020 05:09 PM

Are you referring to the whole chapter or just verses 1-18?

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Posted : 4 Oct, 2020 05:09 PM

Are you referring to the whole chapter or just verses 1-18?

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John chapter 1
Posted : 4 Oct, 2020 05:11 PM

John 1:1-18



In the beginning the Word already existed.

The Word was with God,

and the Word was God.

2 He existed in the beginning with God.

3 God created everything through him,

and nothing was created except through him.

4 The Word gave life to everything that was created,

and his life brought light to everyone.

5 The light shines in the darkness,

and the darkness can never extinguish it.



6 God sent a man, John the Baptist, 7 to tell about the light so that everyone might believe because of his testimony. 8 John himself was not the light; he was simply a witness to tell about the light. 9 The one who is the true light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.



10 He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t recognize him. 11 He came to his own people, and even they rejected him. 12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13 They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.



14 So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.



15 John testified about him when he shouted to the crowds, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘Someone is coming after me who is far greater than I am, for he existed long before me.’”



16 From his abundance we have all received one gracious blessing after another. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but God’s unfailing love and faithfulness came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us.

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Posted : 4 Oct, 2020 10:37 PM

I am asking in a way, do u follow the idea of a trinity? If so how can u reconcile that tea hingwitb John chapter 1?

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Posted : 4 Oct, 2020 10:41 PM

Moonlight, the idea of a trinity is follow many main stream religions. I have e beard it in SDA, Baptist, RCC, Pentecostal, and others. Many will defend their theology to death if need be.

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Posted : 4 Oct, 2020 10:52 PM

Countryivy we can bowel this down to verse 1 and 14. I would always encourage others to read the full chapter of any passage given to maintain context. As we know one verse on it's own or even 2 together can be removed from both their true context and intended meaning.

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Posted : 4 Oct, 2020 10:53 PM

Countryivy we can bowel this down to verse 1 and 14. I would always encourage others to read the full chapter of any passage given to maintain context. As we know one verse on it's own or even 2 together can be removed from both their true context and intended meaning.

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Posted : 5 Oct, 2020 04:17 AM

So you’re saying “HaShem and Yeshua” are the “same”?? Then why do their spellings differ?? This is the first clue you’ve missed.

Although it’s not unusual for a person to have 2 names, it IS unusual for a person to be >>with<< another person yet claim to be that separate person at the same time!!

In other words, the passage translated into English, of which you’re referring clearly indicates the Word was >>with<< God. This is significant. The English word “with” should alert you to the possibly of a plurality within a type of unity referred to as ”God”

Perhaps a discussion should begin here. Start with your justification for overlooking 2 of the most incriminating clues against your view of the Trinity.

Up to now, the only thing you’ve proven is your dislike for the Trinity.

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