1 Peter 4:Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath SUFFERED IN THE FLESH HATH CEASED FROM SIN;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
4 WHEREIN THEY THINK IT STRANGE THAT YE RUN NOT WITH THEM TO THE SASME EXCESS OF RIOT, speaking evil of you:
2 Peter 2:12 But these, AS NATURAL BRUTE BEASTS, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their OWN CORRUPTION;
3 And shall receive THE REWARD OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS , as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having EYES FULL OF ADULTERY AND THAT CANNOT CEASE FROM SIN; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with COVETOUS PRACTISES; cursed children:
15 Which have FORSAKEN THE RIGHT WAY, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak GREAT SWELLING WORDS OF VANITY, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them WHO LIVE IN ERROR.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are THE SERVANTS OF CORRUPTION: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
the verses warned of people turning the grace of God into lust, where do they warn about righteous teaching being heresy?
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
they serve the devil as Christ is not their minster, Christ is hot the minister of sin, the devil is the minister of sin as we read..
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, IS THEREFORE CHRIST THE MINISTER OF SIN? God forbid.
2. You look for as many Scriptures you think fit that subject, then you post them.
3. Then you become angry when others correct you about doing that.
Adam, do you know the difference between ' exegesis and eisegesis.
Exegesis: According to the Anchor Bible Dictionary," exegesis is the process of careful, analytical study of biblical passages undertaken in order to produce useful interpretations of those passages. Ideally, exegesis involves the analysis of the biblical text in the language of its original or earliest available form."Jul 21, 2020
Eisegesis: Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. ... Exegesis is drawing out text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning.
Silly Adam, the verse you quoted out of context is about Jesus’ work completes for us on the cross.
I think if might be helpful to quote from 1800’s Theologian John Gills commentary to clear up ADAM7777 misapplication and abuse of 1 Peter 4:1
To the earnest student, some theology is hard to grasp at first. Please read this passage by John Gill several times if needed to get the full understanding. My head is so thick I have to read Bible passages and commentary over and over to get stuff to finally stick!!!
1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh.....
The apostle having finished his digression concerning Christ's preaching in the ministry of Noah, to men whose spirits were now in prison, and concerning the salvation of Noah's family in the ark, by water, and concerning its antitype, baptism, its nature and effect, returns to the sufferings of Christ he had before made mention of; and argues from thence to holiness of life, and patience in sufferings, after this manner; seeing then Christ, the eternal Son of God, the Lord of glory, the holy and Just One, suffered such indignities, reproaches, and persecutions from men, the wrath of God, the curses of the law, and death itself; and that not for himself, nor for angels, but for men, and those not all men, otherwise his death, with respect to some, must be in vain; but for a particular number of men, in distinction from others, described in the beginning of this epistle, as elect, according to the foreknowledge of God; and these sufferings he endured in the room and stead of those persons, in the days of his flesh, while here on earth, and in his human nature, both soul and body, and was crucified through the weakness of his flesh, and for the sins of our flesh, and which he bore in his own:
arm yourselves likewise with the same mind; that was in Christ; as he suffered for you, do ye likewise suffer for him, in his cause, for righteousness sake, for the sake of him and his Gospel; and bear all reproaches, afflictions, and persecutions on his account, willingly and cheerfully, with meekness and patience, as he did, and with the same view; not indeed to make satisfaction for sin, which was his principal design, but that being dead unto sin, you might live unto righteousness. The apostle speaks to the saints, in this exhortation, as to soldiers, and who had many enemies to engage with, and therefore should put on their armour, and be in a readiness to meet any attack upon them:
for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin: meaning either Christ, who having suffered in human nature for the sins of his people, whereby he has made satisfaction for them, is now clear of them; the sins that were imputed to him being took and bore away, finished and made an end of, and he justified from them, and freed from all the effects of them, and punishment for them, as from all the infirmities of human nature, from mortality and death: or the person that has suffered in and with Christ, his head and representative, which is all one as if he had suffered himself, in person; by virtue of which his sin ceases, and he ceases from being chargeable with it, as if he had never sinned; which is the case of every criminal, when he has suffered the penalty of the law for his crime: or else the person that is dead to sin, by virtue of the death of Christ, and, in imitation of it, who has been baptized into Christ's death, and planted in the likeness of it; whose old man is crucified with Christ, and he is dead with him; who has crucified the affections with the lusts, and through the Spirit has mortified the deeds of the body; which way the generality of interpreters go: such a man has ceased from sin; not from the being and indwelling of it in him; nor from the burden of it on him; nor from a continual war with it in him; nor from slips and falls by it, and into it; no, nor from it in the most solemn and religious services; but as from the guilt of it, and obligation to punishment by it, through the death of Christ; so from the servitude and dominion of it, through the power of divine grace, in consequence of Christ's death: or rather, the believer that suffers death in his body, for the sake of Christ, such an one immediately ceases from the very being of sin, and all commission of it; he becomes at once perfectly pure and holy, without spot or wrinkle, or any such thing; and a noble argument this is to meet death without fear, and to suffer it cheerfully and willingly, since the consequence of this will be an entire freedom from sin, than which nothing can be more desirable by a believer: to this agrees the Syriac version, which renders the words thus: "for whoever is dead in his body hath ceased from all sins"; but the Arabic version more fully confirms this sense, and is the best version of the text, and is this; "be ye armed with this (same) thought, that (not for) he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin"; that is, fortify your minds against all the fears of sufferings, and of death, for the sake of Christ, with this single thought; that he that has suffered martyrdom for Christ, in his body, or has suffered death for his sake, or dies in the Lord, is free from sin, and so from sorrow, and is the most happy person imaginable; so that this last clause is not a reason of the former, but points out, and is explanative of what that same mind or thought is Christians should arm themselves with, against the fears of death; and it is the best piece of armour for this service, a saint can make use of.
Another help tip in understanding scripture is the use of other translations to compare scripture.
Yes I realize it’s always best to consult original languages. But many helpful commentaries also refer you to original languages as a service.
But keep in mind, study of the original languages is a discipline and like any other discipline, some folks are better at it than others!!
Also good to check several commentaries at a time, this way you’re able to take advantage of the hard work many godly men have put into to their studies.
Just make sure your commentaries are not written by some heretic!!
1 Peter 4
Living for God
1Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. 2As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. 3For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust
The idea obviously doesn’t mean a believer “perfectly ceases to sin”, it means a believer is DONE acting like the world.
In other words, If a man was an adulterer before becoming a believer he now ceases to be an adulterer by not committing adultery as a believer!!
Adam, it doesn’t mean the man is suddenly sinless and perfect in every way!!!
Adam, since your conversion, you haven’t told one lie, uttered/thought one curse word, taken God’s Name in vain out loud or in thought, had one lustful thought, thought about harming someone, taken a longer break at work than allowed (this is stealing ) treated the Sabbath improperly, or shown/thought disrespect to authorities/parents? Not once since conversion have you done any of these things?
Justhangingaround, It’s beneath Adam to field questions that call him to account but I can answer for him.
His false teaching posts are all evidence of his constant sinning.
In fact, false teaching is among the greatest of sins. Jesus said it would be better to have a millstone hung around the neck than to lead people astray. I didn’t say that, Jesus did.
Sinless Perfectionists must lower God high standard of holy righteousness in order to deceive themselves into believing they no longer sin.
Thanks Quiznos, those who don’t love Gods word don’t bother to understand either.
Perfectionism doesn’t understand the fact we are MADE perfect (justified) by God at the moment of salvation.
What that means is this, (the short of it): Jesus lived a perfect holy and righteous life of total obedience to God’s holy law.
God takes Jesus perfect life or righteous living and transfers it to the new believer, thus making the new believer perfect in the eyes of the God who “justifies the wicked”.
As for ALL the believer’s sin, God judged every single sin at the cross by making Jesus a sin bearer who who suffered the wrath of God against the sinner and Jesus died in place of all those who believe.
So now the new believer is completely justified (made perfect)—but now by his own effort!!
Now the work of sanctification in the believer experience is being worked out by the conviction of
the Holy Spirit through the power of the written word of God, the Bible.
That means, Philippians 1:6,
being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
Believers are justified according to Romans 5:1—
Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
But we are being sanctified each day of our lives as God does the work of sanctification within us making us into the perfect person we were declared to be.
Hope I worded that clearly.
Not trying to inform people who already believe but I think these truths bare repeating
So basically God takes Jesus’ holy righteous life and transfers that holy righteous life to the sinner THUS making the sinner completely and perfectly holy in the eyes of God.
God then takes the sinners condemned sinful way of life and transfers it to Jesus who suffers the wrath of God.
Anybody who TRULY understands this magnificent truth MUST be jumping up and down in pure joy!!!!!
Now as long as we live, our faith is being strengthened and we are being sanctified through trials, tests, persecutions and such
The word used for putting to one account is IMPUTED, which is a banking term.
The righreousness, holiness, and sanctification in Messiah is IMPUTED to a person.
GOD Almighty Imputes these, along with everythimg Messiah had done, into the account of a person, even though the person had never done what Messiah did.
In John 10 verse 11
11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
This verse is better understood as,
The good shepherd places his SOUL OVER the sheep.
With the soul of Messiah placed over the sheep, how does the Father see the sheep in His fold.
