And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 11 Aug, 2020 11:41 AM
Christ did well on the Sabbath days. Not breaking the Sabbath or the law, He is the Lord of the Sabbath, He is the law of God, He is God, this is the law of Christ.
Pharisees are the example of teachers of the law, prophetic quiznos littledavid moonlight are the example here in this forum.
They have in common, teaching the law, to obey God and commit sins and pray to God for forgiveness of sins as Solomon taught and prayed.
They however, especially seen in prophetic, omit the love and faith, the judgement and mercy of the Lord...
Matthew 12:12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke 6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?
prophetic thinks because he can act ignorantly, and do as he pleases without any morals or manners, he can say what he likes and it not be found out.
here is the description of the law, that reveals prophetic and all who think like him, being pharisees in the law of sin, cannot deny or hide ever again from
we cannot ever be justified in the law of Moses.
we need to do b y nature the things contained in the law.( the nature of Christ that is )
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Romans 2:14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
again, nobody could ever be justified by the deeds of the law, because the law shows them as sinners....
but then came the righteousness of God withoutn the law of Moses which is sin and death, and now it is the law of faith...
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
sin ceases to have dominion over us as it does for those who teach and are of the law, they still are dominated by sin and death. they are not believers in grace, it does nothing for them ?
Romans 6:14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
being in the flesh is being in the law, sins by the law as told, and prophetic and friends bring forth fruit unto death through their lack of faith in Christ.
they cannot be delivered from the law, as they continue to serve in oldness of the letter in sins and consequent death of their law...
Romans 7:5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Romans 7:6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
they are carnal sold under sin in their law of Moses.
the law is good but they are not good or doing good, only evil.
the law of sin (moses and first covenant) is in their members which brings them into captivity of sin and death..
Romans 7:14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Romans 7:16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Romans 7:23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
they are never freed from the law of sin and death (that law of Moses for transgressors) as the righteousness of the law is not fulfilled in them, as they walk after the flesh( the law) and not after the Spirit( Christ)
Romans 8:2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
they are not subject to the law of God ( the law is good when written in the spiritual non carnal heart) they never can be without transgressing the law of Moses which they teach and follow..
Romans 8:7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
WHY? BECAUSE THEY SEEK NOT BY FAITH, THEY STUMBLE AT CHRIST, THJEY DO TRANSGRESSING WORKMS OF THE LAW, SIN AND DEATH
FOR CHRIST IS THE FINALISING OF THE LAW FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THERE IS NO RIGHTEOUSNESS IN SIN..
Romans 9:32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Romans 10:4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
THEY CANNOT COMPREHEND, SIN IS THEIR DEATH, AND THE STRENGTH THEY GIVE TO SIN IS THE LAW OF MOSES THEY FOLLOW AND TRANSGRESS..
1 Corinthians 15:56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
MAN CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED IN THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH, IT IS THE FAITH OF CHRIST THAT IS JUST, AS HE IS JUST TO NOW BELIEVE IN...
Galatians 2:16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
FOOLOSH PROPHETIC AND LITTLEDAVID ETC, DO NOT OBEY THE TRUTH, THEY OBEY THEIR LAW WHIUCH THEY TRANSGRESS, BUT THATS NOT THE LAW OF JESUS CHRIST, BECAUSE THEY FOLLOW THEIR IMPERFECT WAY OF THE FLESH WHICH IS THE LAW OF SIN AND THEIR DEATH...
Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
THEY CLEARLY DO THE SAME WORKS OF THE LAW, AS THEY DO WHAT IS CURSED, TO SIN AND DIE, WHAT DIFFERENT BELIEF AND ACTION ?
Galatians 3:10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
IF THEY WERE JUST THEY WOULD WALK BY FAITH.
CANNOT BE REDEEMED FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW, BY STILL DOING THE SAME CURSE, OF FLESH, CARNAL, SIN, AND DEATH
Galatians 3:1But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
THE LAW EXPOSES TRANSGRESSORS, UNTIL CHRIST COMES TO CONVERT THE TRANSGRESSORS..
Galatians 3:19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
NOBODY CASN BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW, AS EVERYBODY BREAKS IT, AS TESTIFIED IN ROMANS THERE IS NONE THAT DOES GOOD.
NOW THE LOVE OF GOD IS SHED INTO OUR HEARTS TO LOVE OUR NEIGHBOUR AS OURSELVES WHICH FINALLY FULFILLS THE LAW MAKING IKT SPIRITUAL IN US NOT CARNAL AND OF THE LETTER AS THE TRANSGRESSORS WHO DENY THEY TEACH LAW? THEY CONFESS IT BY INSISTING TO BE SINNERS AS SEEN IN EVERYBODY OF THE LAW......
Galatians 5:4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Galatians 5:14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
THEY DO NOT KEEP THE LAW, THEY ARE PROUD TO SAY THEY ARE SINNERES/TRANSGRESSORS, BUT THEY ARE OF THE LAW AND TEACH IT WHEN THEY ARE REVEALED AS TRANSGRESSORS OF THE LAW...
Galatians 6:13For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
THEY ARE INDEED TEACXHERS OF THE LAW, BUT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTFAND WHAT THEY SPEAK.
THE LAW IS GOOD IF THEY WERE LAWFUL, BUT THEY CANNOT BE UNDER A CURSE OF SIN AND DEATH
THE LAW IS STILL FOR THEM, THEY ARE LAWLESS AND DISOBEDIENT AND UNGODLY SINNERS, THEY ARE UNHOLY AND PROFANE, MURDERERS FROM THEIR OWN PROUD CONFESSIONS..
1 Timothy 1:7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
1 Timothy 1:8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1 Timothy 1:9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
THEIR WAYS AND THE LAW THEY STILL FOLLOW, THEY FOLLOOW THE SAME AS THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, MAKES NOTHING PERFECT. THEY EVEN DETEST THAT IDEA NEVER MIND EMBRACE IT. THE BEGTTER HOPE IN CHRIST IS PERFECT, IT CANT BE THE SAME AS THE CURSED LAW NOW, CAN IT, OF SIN AND DEATH ???????
Hebrews 7:19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
SO THAT LEADS US TO UNDERSTAND A NEW COVENANT WAS MADE BY THE LORD, NOW HE WRITES THEM IN THE HEART AND THE MIND SO THEY CHANGE, NO LONGER SINNERS AND TRASNSGRESSORS SERVING THE DEVIL AND A CURSE...
Hebrews 8:10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
BUT THEY WILL STILL COMMIT SIN, AND THEY ARE PROVEN ABSOLUTELY, LOOK AT THE WORDS, THEY ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW THEY FOLLOW, TO BE TRANSGRESSORS......
James 2:9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
THEIR LAW OF MOSES THEY FOLLOW DOES NOT JUSTIFY THESE MANY SO CALLED CHRISTIANS, THEY OFFEND AND ARE GUILTY.
COMMITING OPENLY, ADULTERY AND TRANSGRESSING...
THEY COMMIT SIN AND TRANSGRESS THE LAW, NOT THE LAW OF CHRIST, AS THAT IS COMPLETELY A DIFFERENT HOLY WAY, THEY TRANSGRESS THE LAW OF THE FIRST COVENANT OF THE CURSE OF SIN AND DEATH THEY SO PROUDLY ADHERE TO..
James 2:10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2:11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 11 Aug, 2020 12:10 PM
Adam posts:
Christ did well on the Sabbath days. Not breaking the Sabbath or the law, He is the Lord of the Sabbath, He is the law of God, He is God, this is the law of Christ.
Quiznos:
Adam show in the Scriptures where Messiah is the LAW.
John 1 verses 16 - 18
16 From His fullness we have all received grace upon grace.
17 For the law was given through Moses; GRACE and TRUTH came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side,has made Him known.
Hmmm, Now you say that Messiah is the law of GOD, are you able to produce that verse.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 11 Aug, 2020 01:30 PM
Quizzy posts "Adam show in the Scriptures where Messiah is the LAW"
Ummmm Quizzy, Yah'shua IS the set apart WORD of the Father in the flesh! So did the Father YHWH NOT speak His LAW to the prophets to be written and finally LIVED it thru Himself, put into flesh, called it His Son? So He is the LAW made flesh as a witness! Wake up and STOP quoting out of context verses to the WHOLE subject and gospel message! What happened to context of John 1:1-3 and 14, THEN the rest in its context. I listed just the start here, where you should start, chapter 1 verse 1! Man do you contradict yourself continually claim all others take Scripture out of context but not you! Right?
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 11 Aug, 2020 01:56 PM
Quizzy states - "Thank the TRIUNE GODHEAD"
I'm confused, you claim there are 3 pagan deities of "Gods or Guds" as they are called by egyptian pagans originally and adopted in translation and I guess your ONE pagan diety is "ALMIGHTY" but then your other "Gods or Guds" is not also "ALMIGHTY" and equal??? If you claim to know what the Bible teaches, shoudnt you call your pagan deities properly "TRIUNE" GOD'S HEAD's??? Then you would have truly three pagan deities to worship! Right?
But then you have another problem, what about your invisible 3rd "God or Gud" and where did He (masculine named) come from that He (masculine named) is not "ALMIGHTY"??? Did your Father lift more weights, in better shape and is "ALMIGHTY" for that reason or what?
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 11 Aug, 2020 02:31 PM
Pastor Ken's quotes regarding the Old Testament Sabbath:
God Blessed the Sabbath: He made the Sabbath happy. God happytized it and made it wonderful and beautiful. If the Sabbath is not happytized in your life then it’s on you to change that.
God Sanctified the Sabbath: He made it separate and sacred. It was more than a mundane, secular or ordinary day. It is set apart and sanctified. If it is not that to us then it’s not God’s fault.
God gave us a model to follow in that He himself rested on the Sabbath. We are to believe that it is a Blessed and Holy day from God. The Sabbath is a gift from God.
Old Testament Sabbath laws:
Exodus 31:14-16: Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do **ANY WORK** on that day must be **CUT OFF** from their people... Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath day is to be **PUT TO DEATH**!
Exodus 35:2,3; Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath must be **PUT TO DEATH**. Do not **LIGHT A FIRE** in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
What are the New Testament Sabbath laws??:
Galatians 4:9,10: How is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you want to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing **SPECIAL DAYS** and months and seasons and years. I fear for you. that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you!!
Colossians 2:16,17: Do dot let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard a special festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH DAY**! These are a **SHADOW** of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found **IN CHRIST**!!
In the New Testament **EVERY DAY** is the **LORD'S DAY** especially **TODAY**!!
Acts 2:44-46: All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to everyone who had need. **EVERY DAY** they continued to meet together!!
Hebrews 3:12,13: See to it brothers and sisters that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But **ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER **DAILY**, as long as it is called **TODAY** so that none of you may be hardened by sins deceitfulness!
Matthew 12:1-12: Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, the said to Him, "Look your disciples are doing what is **UNLAWFUL ON THE SABBATH**. Jesus answered, "Haven't you heard of what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread--which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests... If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is **LORD OF THE SABBATH**!" Going from that place, Jesus went into their synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to being charges against Jesus, they asked Him, "IS IT LAWFUL TO HEAL ON THE SABBATH?" Jesus said to the, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath?" Jesus said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? Therefore it is lawful to do good {*WORK*} on the Sabbath!"
John 5:16-18: So because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute Him. In his defense Jesus said to them. "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and **I TOO AM **WORKING**!" For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was **HE BREAKING THE SABBATH**, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 9:16: The Pharisees said of Jesus, "This man is not from God , for He does **NOT KEEP THE SABBATH**!"
I Corinthians 9:21: I am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!
Galatians 6:2: Fulfill the **LAW OF CHRIST**!!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the {**OT**} law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE {**OT**} LAW!!"
*WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!
Galatians 2:14-16,20,21; Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.!"
Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." **CHRIST REDEEMED US FROM THE **CURSE** OF THE LAW** by becoming a curse for us!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was **WEAK AND USELESS**; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."
Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises.
Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH** day. These are a *SHADOW* of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!!
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 11 Aug, 2020 02:46 PM
And so Jesus Christ was **CONTINUAALLY WORKING AND DOING **GOOD WORKS** ON THE SABBATH, WHEREAS THE DLD TESTAMENT LAW STATES THAT ANYONE DOES **ANY WORK**ON THE SABBATH MUST BE ** PUT TO DEATH**!!
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 11 Aug, 2020 03:16 PM
Prophetic, it clear you’ve probably never read but very little of the Old Testament or even very little of the New for that matter.
If you’ve read more than what you copy and paste, I stand corrected. But I wonder if you even read what you copy and paste.
Jesus said it’s not forbidden in the law to do good on the sabbath. He even referred to the work done by priests in the temple every sabbath. Male babies where circumcised on the sabbath.
If you, as an Israelite, were to see your neighbors donkey or even your enemies donkey in a ditch on the sabbath you were to rescue it and keep it safe for him. In other words, if I saw prophetic in the ditch on the sabbath I would rescue him according to the law.
What prophetic and his Pharisee teachers, whom he follows in calling Jesus a lawbreaker, doesn't seem to understand is that Jesus, who DID understand, the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.
Prophetic, because you’re unskilled in bible interpretation you often quote a verse about not lighting a fire on the sabbath. I’ve already tried to explain the meaning of that passage long ago but you must have dropped the ball on his foot and lost your memory.
I’ll look up the passage in context with its proper application and write more on it in a future post.
But anyway context of that passage specifically concerned the building of the temple.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him
Posted : 11 Aug, 2020 07:45 PM
QUIZNOS AND ADAM7777 BELIEVE IN THE SATANIC DOCTRINE OF SINLESS PERFECTION AFTER SAVATION???
QUIZNOS QUOTE:
"IF WE SIN ON PURPOSE AFTER WE RECEIVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH THERE IS **NO MORE** FORGIVENESS FOR OUR SINS NO MORE SACRIFICING OF CHRIST FOR US???"
AND LITTLEST DAVID DEFENDS THEIR RIDICULOUS SATANIC DOCTRINE OF SINLESS PERFECTION**!!**!!
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
Luke 11:1-4: The **DISCIPLES** asked Jesus, "Lord teach **US** to pray." Jesus replied **TO HIS DISCIPLES**, "When you pray, say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our **DAILY** bread. **FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us!'"
James 5:16: **CONFESS YOUR SINS** to each other and pray for each other!!
Revelation 3:19: Jesus says, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline, so be earnest and **REPENT**!!" {**OF YOUR SINS**!!}
Hebrews 12:5-11: Do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those He loves, and He chastens **EVERYONE** HE ACCEPTS AS A SON**!!! Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as His children. For what children are not disciplined by their father {FOR THEIR SINS**}? If you are not disciplined--and everyone undergoes discipline--**THEN YOU ARE NOT LEGITIMATE**, not true sons and daughters at all. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us{FOR OUR SINS!} and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in His holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it!
Galatians 6:1: Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you may also be tempted. Carry each others burdens, and in this way you fulfill the law of Christ!!
