(Preface: Why start a new thread to answer you? Normally I wouldn't, but in one word: "prophetic". I really want to discuss this with you, however we both know prophetic will make that impossible. Therefore, I give my response here in a new thread, feel free to do likewise or not).
Lil David, you err because I am not "anti-Paul".... you- are - in - error....period. Rather I understand and read Paul the 'Jew' from a 'Jewish' perspective. Which btw is reading Paul's letters in context. How can Gentile Christians such as yourself ever hope to understand Paul's letters while rejecting the Jewish context in which he wrote? It is as Peter 2 says; 'they distort Paul's letters to their own destruction'.
Lil David, if you want me to make a case against Paul for the purpose of debate, it is easy for me to do. And I guarantee you, you will not win. However, for me it would only be an exercise in debate, as I do not care either way. In the end each person must make up their own mind about Paul.
Where you REALLY ERR, is thinking a believer and follower of Y'shua will be dismissed by G-D for rejecting Paul as an Apostle. Paul's apostleship or lack of is not a tenet of salvation. Your position is indefensible, for in it you make Paul rather than Y'shua your savior. Even Paul's own words testify against you:
"For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way? 4For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human?
5What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each." -1Cor 3
"11For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. 12What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” 13Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name" -1Cor 1
Guiznos, Khutzpah and HiddenMountain all make fun of saving **FAITH** and all the inspired writings of Paul. They do not believe that **FA ITH** and **ETERNAL LIFE** are **FREE GIFTS OF GOD** but that you have to earn your salvation by good works and following OT laws?They also do not believe that Jesus is God or that His blood makes Atonement for our sins!!
Khutzpah Satanic quote: "The notion that the Bible is the Word of God is a "slow-eating cancer".
Quiznos Satanic quote: "The bible or book, is not the Word of GOD Almighty, but rather the translations of man."
Hidden Mountain Satanic quote: "Apostle Paul or Impostor Paul? Paul called himself an Apostle and seemingly taught a different gospel."
Matthew 7:15; Jesus says, "Watch out for **FALSE PROPHETS**. They come in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are **FEROICIOUS WOLVES**!.
2 Corinthians 11:12-15: For such people are **FALSE APOSTLES**, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve!
I John 4:1,4-6: Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God because many **FALSE PROPHETS**have gone out into the world!... You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore **SPEAK FROM THE VIEWPOINT OF THE WORLD**, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood!
2 Peter 2:1-3: But there were **FALSE PROPHETS** among the people, just as there will be **FALSE TEACHERS** among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction upon themselves. Many will follow their depraved conduct and will **BRING THE WAY OF TRUTH INTO DISREPUTE**. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories, Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping!
2 Timothy 3:1-5: But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God--**HAVING A FORM OF GODLINESS BUT DENYING ITS POWER**.
I Peter 1:23-25: For you have been **BORN AGAIN THROUGH** the **LIVING AND ENDURING WORD OF GOD**. For all people {Like False Prophets} are like grass and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the **WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER**. And this is the **WORD** that was preached to you!
Ephesians 1:13: You also were included in Christ **WHEN** you heard the **WORD OF TRUTH**, the Gospel of your salvation.
James 1:18; He chose to give us **BIRTH THROUGH THE WORD** of Truth!!
John 17:17: Jesus says to His Father, "Sanctify them by the Truth, **YOUR WORD IS TRUTH**!"
Titus 1:9: An elder must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by **SOUND DOCTRINE** and **REFUTE THOSE WHO OPPOSE IT!!
2 Timothy 3:16,17; 4:1-4: **ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His Kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD** {**WHICH IS THE ENTIRE NEW COVENANT**} Be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people {Like **QUIZNOS**} will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths!
John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the Truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will **GLORIFY ME** BECAUSE IT IS **FROM ME** THAT HE WILL RECEIVE WHAT HE MAKE KNOWN TO YOU**!
And holy spirit inspired the 8 writers of the 27 books of the New Testament to write everything Jesus told him to write!!
Hebrews 12:1,2: Let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fiving your eyes on **JESUS**, the **AUTHOR** and **PERFECTER** of our faith!!
Acts 26:16-18: Jesus said to Paul, "I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a **WITNESS** of what you have seen and will see of Me. I will rescue from your own people and from the Gentiles. AI am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive **FORGIVENESS OF SINS** and a place among those who are **SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME**!"
Acts 22:14,15: Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our ancestors has chosen you **TO KNOW HIS WILL**and to see the Righteous One and to **HEAR WORDS FROM HIS MOUTH**. You will be **HIS WITNESS TO ALL PEOPLE OF WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND HEARD**!"
THE GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, “**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and on ***EARTH*** has been given to **ME** {Not some RC Pope}. Therefore go and make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*...teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** {The entire NT} I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very *END OF THE AGE*!”
John 12:48: Jesus says, There is a Judge for the one who does not accept My Words {Like Acts 26:16-18 above}; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the Last Day!!"
2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL** also wrote you with the **WISDOM THAT GOD GAVE TO HIM** He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {For the unsaved} which ignorant unstable people {Like HiddenMountain} distort as they do other Scriptures, to their own destruction! {Eternal torment in Hell}
My brother, Apostle Paul was the one chosen to preach to the gentiles and if you discard him then aren't you promoting dangers to the Faith?
Again, IT IS WRITTEN:
2 Tim. 3 Verses 16 to 17
[16]>>>> All<<<<<<< scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
So which parts of the Bible should you tear out? I am guessing ALL then if you want to discount Paul because he is wrote alot of the NT.
"you discard him then aren't you promoting dangers to the Faith?"
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KJVonly, you have a bad habit of listening to what people say I believe rather than listening to what I say I believe. - where did I say to "discard Paul" ?!
Sigh
I will say this, given only two choices: it would be better to discard Paul than to distort Paul to your own destruction.
IF IF IF......did you get that? IF! you READ what I wrote, then you'd know I neither discard or distort, but read Paul IN THE JEWISH CONTEXT HE WROTE.
I'm getting sooooo tired of people making up claims about what I believe, then condemning me or correcting me for the stories they made up about me. It is the height of absurdity. They did the same to Nedus and the prophets.
"I'm getting sooooo tired of people making up claims about what I believe, then condemning me or correcting me for the stories they made up about me. It is the height of absurdity."
Sigh.....
We all understand perfectly what you believe about "ALL" scripture is given by inspiration of God" there Chuckie cheese! 2 Tim. 3 Verses 16 that KJO gave to wake you up horse breath and it convicts you! That very verse "condemns" you AND "corrects" you in your very own words in your statement above, your judging yourself! So you claim people on this forum are making up "stories" about you and NOT showing evidence of your wickedness???
WELLLLL Lets look at the evidence below, the "stories" you are so concerned with, the so called "height of absurdity" which is REALLY your ABSURDITY Cowpoke!
Chuckie the lucky cowbucky writes,
"The notion that the Bible is the Word of God is a "slow-eating cancer".
"Despite the reverence for God which appears to attend the somber declaration that the Bible is "the infallible Word of God", that declaration sprouts from the envious heart of Satan, who would rather glory in the works of men - even the Bible, the written work of men - than to glory in the living power of God."
"The bible or book, is not the Word of GOD Almighty, but rather the translations of man." end quotes.
So how do those cowpies of evidence taste there cowpoke??? Yum yum???
"KJVonly, you have a bad habit of listening to what people say I believe rather than listening to what I say I believe."
WHAT does chuckie boy "say" again??? WHAT should we "listen" to when he speaks, WHAT he "believes"???
Chuckie "says" and "believes" below -
"The notion that the Bible is the Word of God is a "slow-eating cancer".
"Despite the reverence for God which appears to attend the somber declaration that the Bible is "the infallible Word of God", that declaration sprouts from the envious heart of Satan, who would rather glory in the works of men - even the Bible, the written work of men - than to glory in the living power of God."
"The bible or book, is not the Word of GOD Almighty, but rather the translations of man." end quote.
So chuckie will not be so lucky, even if in Kentucky, come judgement day??? oooooh my!
@Parehtban, thanks for being a good example of a bad example. Those aren't my quotes. They are out of context quotes taken from an article I posted. But dude whatever makes you happy. It's so much easier to be simple minded and follow the crowd than to take the time to search out truth. No doubt you'd been in the crowd yelling "crucify him!"
Makes no diff barn yard breath, because you post it, quote it and YOU believe it you IDIOT! YOU OWN IT!
Chucknos posts, quotes what he agrees with below!
"The Scriptures are not themselves the Word of God, and they can only be rightly understood by the person who has himself heard from God." end quote.
Did you catch the twist! You have to hear "from God" through a self "spirit" before you can READ and understand the "Word of God" to begin with! The truth is you READ it first, then when reading it the Holy Spirit reveals it to you!
Chucknos posts, "To "preach the Bible", as some boast of doing, is >>nothing<<." end quote.
So Chucknos BELIEF solution is to hear a "ghostly self spirit" only because reading and studying the Bible would lead to PREACHING the Bible to the lost, which is "nothing" but a waste of time according to him!
Chucknos BELIEVES and quotes, "That the Bible is the very Word of God is a wickedly cunning lie, the effects of which are discouragement, confusion, and death" end quote. Need I even need to comment?? WHEW!
Chucknos also BELIEVES because he QUOTES it,
"What Satan has accomplished is to have persuaded many of us to think that we have heard from God just because we have read the Bible." end quote. WOAHHHH! The devil speaks through Chucknos quotes!
WICKED beliefs and quotes from Chucknos!!! The devil really speaks through his apostle Chucknos by his quotes, NO???
"No doubt you'd been in the crowd yelling "crucify him!""
end quote.
That's right people, when the Messiah quoted Scripture back at satan, Chucky would say "crucify him!" the Messiah for he states what IS WRITTEN (the Bible) back at satan!
Because Chucky the dead ducky come judgment day would be have to answer why he quotes things like below!
"The notion that the Bible is the Word of God is a "slow-eating cancer"
"The Scriptures are not themselves the Word of God, and they can only be rightly understood by the person who has himself heard from God."
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Parehtban, I'm sorry you don't understand this and feel the need to lash out at others because of your insecurities. The Scriptures are as a double edged sword, with G-D they bring forgiveness, freedom and life. Without G-D they bring condemnation, imprisonment and death. You are currently resembling the latter.
