Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 29 Dec, 2019 08:15 PM
A little background on how dangerous Christians were in the first century...
The original name for what would eventually became known as Christianity was “the Way.”
This is what the Apostle Paul said in his hearing before the Roman governor Felix: “I admit that I follow the Way, which they call a cult.” (Acts 24:14)
The radical and dangerous thing about the early Christians was that as they worshiped God in Christ they proclaimed Jesus as emperor! This is what they meant when they confessed, “Jesus is Lord.”
Many citizens of the Roman Empire directed their devotion to Rome through the veneration of the emperor. The cult of emperor worship was a personification of empire worship.
Titles like “Son of God,” “King of Kings,” “Savior of the World,” “Prince of Peace, “Lord of All” were already in circulation as imperial titles on Roman coins. When Christians began re-appropriating these titles in their worship of a crucified Galilean Jew it was a dangerous and provocative move.
So, the Christian refusal to venerate Rome and the emperor in even benign and symbolic ways was viewed as unpatriotic.
Paul was crucified in Rome. Rumor suggests so too was Peter although that is unproven that he was crucified upside down in Rome. The Kingdom of Heaven they announced would form a challenge to the dominant myth that Rome had a manifest destiny to rule the nations and a divine right to shape history. It was deemed a threat.
Nevertheless , as Rev. 11:15 states: “The kingdom of the world >>>has<<< become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”
Isaiah 14:24
The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
Some people like my friend say that only Constantine in the 3rd century was Pontifex Maximus and therefore prior to that ,Caesars cannot be both a religious and earthly power proving futuristic prophecy .
I will however postulate that Augustus Caesar was also >>>>>Pontifex Maximus: the Roman high priest.<<<<
A Mark (seal, sign, token, frontlet) is placed upon the forehead or hands, either as a sign of a curse or as a sign of redemption.
Genesis 4:15: God places a mark on the covenant breaking Cain, so nobody would kill him.
Exodus 28:36-38: Priests of God wore a gold plate upon their forehead, symbolizing the redeemed man.
Exodus 13:9,16, Deuteronomy 6:6,8; 11:18: A mark upon the forehead and hand was a symbol of total obedience to God’s Law.
Solomon 8:6: A seal upon the heart and arm is symbolic of a love for someone.
Isaiah 49:16: God has graven His people on the palms of His hands as a sign that he would not forget them.
Ezekiel 9:4: A mark upon the forehead was indicative of their allegiance to the Lord in the midst of abomination.
Revelation 13:16-17: The Beast places a mark on the hand or forehead of his followers also. This mark is his name (which represents ones character).
Revelation 14:9-11; 16:2; 19:20: Those who receive the mark of the Beast (worship something other than God) will be tormented. Which means...
Revelation 9:4: Those who do not have the seal of God in their forehead will be tormented. The Beast’s mark is contrasted to God’s mark!
Revelation 20:4: Those who do not receive the Beasts’ mark will be the keepers of God's commandments and have the testimony of Jesus.
Revelation 15:2: To keep the Word of God is to overcome and be victorious over the mark, or name, or character, of the Beast.
Revelation 3:12: The name of God will be written upon those who overcome.
Revelation 7:3; 14:1; 22:4: Where will the name of God be written? It will be sealed in their foreheads!
Revelation 19:13: What exactly is the name of God that’ll be written in their foreheads? It is The Word Of God! (See also John 1:1,14). In other words, Scripture, God's Word, will be in their hearts, minds, and souls!
John wrote that the number "is the number of a man's name; and his number is 666." This tells us that those who received the "mark" were actually in allegiance with a "man," an actually person of the first century. So, who was he? Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus! Better known as Nero Caesar.
John used a puzzle called gematria in which numbers are used to represent certain letters. John used this puzzle to reveal Nero without actually writing down his name. Remember, the early churches were being persecuted during this time—not only from the Jews, but also from the Romans. The numerical values of the Hebrew letters in Neron Kesar (Nero Caesar) are:
N = 50
R = 200
W = 6
N = 50
Q = 100
S = 60
R = 200
In Revelation 13:7, the Beast is said to "make war with the saints and to overcome them." Revelation 13:5 says that the beast would conduct such blasphemous warfare for a specific period of time: 42 months. The Neronic persecution was instituted in 64 AD and lasted until his death in June 68 AD, which is three and a half years, or 42 months! Nero fits the bill for the role of the beast!
Revelation 13:10 and 14 says the Beast not only slays by the sword, but ultimately is to die of a sword wound. Do you know how Nero died? According to Suetonius, he "drove a dagger into his throat, aided by Epaphroditus, his private secretary" (ch.49). Nero killed with the sword and was killed by the sword.
Here, in this verse, we have one of the clearest proofs for Nero being the beast. If we simply examine the list of Roman Emperors, we will be able to determine who the sixth king was. Flavius Josephus clearly points out that Julius Caesar was the first emperor of Rome, followed by Augustus; Tiberius; Caius (Caligula); Claudius; and the sixth emperor was…Nero (Antiquities, books 18 and 19), who assumed imperial power upon the death of the fifth emperor, Claudius, in October, A.D. 54. The matter is confirmed just a little later in the writings of Roman historians: Suetonius (Lives of the Twelve Caesars and Dio Cassius, Roman History 5). Nero reigned from 54AD to June of 68AD. John informs us that the seventh king was "not yet come." That would be Galba, who assumed power upon Nero's death in June, A.D. 68. But he was only to continue a "short space." As a matter of historical fact, his reign lasted but six months until January 15, A.D. 69.
Before the world's startled eyes, the seven-headed Beast (Rome) was toppling to its death as its sixth head (Nero) was mortally wounded with the sword.
after a time of grievous civil wars, the Empire was revived by the ascending of Vespasian to the purple.
The Christians of the first century were under the military authority of Rome, a nation which openly proclaimed its rulers, the Caesars, to be divine. All those under the jurisdiction of Rome were required by law to publicly proclaim their allegiance to Caesar by burning a pinch of incense and declaring, "Caesar is Lord". Upon compliance with this law, the people were given a papyrus document called a "libellus", which they were required to present when either stopped by the Roman police or attempting to engage in commerce in the Roman marketplace, increasing the difficulty of "buying or selling" without this mark.
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 29 Dec, 2019 10:17 PM
I see its all quiet on the Western Front...
I wanted to add this..
I don't mean to suggest that we won't have persecutions in the future. I do however think that prophecy watching for the fulfillment of Revelation is a distraction. Notice I did not say pointless. I do think we need to keep an eye on Paul White and what comes out of her mouth because she has been saying if we are not unified in Christ (and their doctrine) we are against them. Persecutions have happened post 70 A.D. and I think the Living Word of Jehovah is a tool to help us not only come to the saving knowledge of the Lord Y'shua HaMashiac but to guide us away from idol worship which leads to destruction. Verses about the "Mark" makes this very clear. But as to THE man of sin spoken of by John on Patmos and the great tribulation, I feel that is past .Yes, I feel that God will judge America when the cup of her iniquity is full so be prepared. We should be praying for our country and leaders and be in the Word daily as we keep doing His work and ministry. Hugs.
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 30 Dec, 2019 07:04 AM
Thanks Byys.
I forgot to add the Pope should be watched too as they tend to be quite Political. In the middle ages they persecuted Christians but couldn't over come them so they decided to beat them by their own game through the WORD. Not all Bibles are the same. I wish I could post pics because the Nestle-Alland 27th edition , page 45 states that there was an agreement between the Vatican and United Bible Societies it has served as the "basis for new translations and revisions made under their supervision"
Here is why I don't trust people determining the dates of papyrus or other such biblical documents. It's all crackerjack science. Whatever they pull out of the box nowdays.
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 30 Dec, 2019 11:24 AM
KJO, I know you are a preterist, I am not. However I respect your belief to believe how you wish. Especially since it is not a tenet of salvation taught by Jesus.
However, no matter how anyone believes, history does repeat itself. And what is coming when we go to a cashless society will make the old Roman system pale in comparison,
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 30 Dec, 2019 12:26 PM
Sorry to disagree KJVo, but you are what you read.
I’m interested in seeing, at least a rough format of, the critical analysis of the subject matter you used going into this process. And of which lead up to the conclusions you’ve drawn here.
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 30 Dec, 2019 01:25 PM
Chuckles comes to a Christian Forum teaching about 95 percent of what Orthodox Jews believe since he believes we are saved by doing good works and obeying OT laws. If anyone disagrees with his teaching Chuckles claims they are a racist ant-Semite, and an unrepenting **LIAR** who misuses and wrongly translates Scripture. He also hogs about 66.6 Percent of the new threads. Actually he is a terrible theologian and is only good at taking one out of context Scripture to prove his teachings. The only other thing Chuckles is good at is calling everyone who disagrees with his Satanic teachings, terrible names.
Chuckles now claims he is not **ANTI-PAUL**??? However, every born from above believer believes every word of Pauline's epistles is the Word of God!!
Chuckles Satanic Quotes about Paul:
"Paul's advice should stand or fall on its own, rather than being declared words from the lips of God and therefore "New Commandments."
"Paul's advice is not a New Commandment from God."
"Who made Paul's words into God's word for all churches for all time????
"You have no Scriptural support to back your assertion that Paul can impose (new) Commandments as Moses and Jesus."
"Who gave Paul equal authority with Moses and Jesus to write new commandments?"
***NEITHER MOSES OR PAUL HAD THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE NEW COMMANDMENTS**!!
2 Peter 1:20-21: Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit!
God the Father inspired the 32 writers of the OT to write what He wanted them to write. Just as God the Father gave Jesus all authority in the New and better Covenant of faith and love.
John 16:12-15: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear . But when he, the Spirit of Truth comes he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, an he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is **FROM ME** THAT HE WILL RECEIVE WHAT HE WILL MAKE KNOWN TO YOU**! All that belongs to the Father is Mine. That is why I said the Spirit will **RECEIVE FROM ME** what he will make known to you.
Hebrews 12:2: Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** and **PERFECTOR** OF OUR FAITH**!!**!!
Matthew 28:18-20: ! Therefore Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and earth has been given to **ME**! Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... Teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**{The entire New Testament}. And surely I am with you always to the very end of the age!
And so Jesus told the Holy Spirit what he should inspire the 8 writers of the New and better Covenant to write the New and Better Covenant which included about 400 New Covenant commandments all inspired by Jesus!!!
We know that Paul was martyred by orders of Nero Caesar in December of AD 66 and we know that Paul was inspired to write 2 Timothy the last of his 14 inspired books just before he ascended into heaven because of 2 Timothy 4:6-8: Paul said, "For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race. I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the Crown of Righteousness!
All the other books of the New Testament except Revelation were written between AD 42 and AD 62 and had been distributed to most of the churches in the Roman Empire And so 2 Timothy 3:16: 4:1-3 included all the books of the Bible except Revelation:
2 Timothy 3:15; 4:1-3: All Scripture is **GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus {The Author of the NT}, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His Kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD** {The **ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT} Be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people {Like Chuckles} will not put up with sound doctrine.
And in AD 96 Jesus added the book of Revelation to the New Testament which Chuckles treats like a fairy tale.
Revelation 22:16,18,19: I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony **FOR THE CHURCHES**!... I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone {Like Chuckles}**ADDS* anything to them, God will *ADD* to that person the plagues described in this book {Which will include eternal torment in hell as per Rev 14:9-11}. And if anyone**TAKES WORDS AWAY** { Like the Preterists, Chuckles Sadlup, ADAM777 and Hark} God will **TAKE AWAY** from that person any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The ETERNAL **NEW JERUSALEM**} which are described in this book!!
Peter 1:23-25: You have been **BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING **WORD OF GOD**!! All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the **WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER**. And this is the **WORD** that was preached to you.
Matthew 24:35: Jesus says, Heaven and earth will pass away, but **MY WORDS WILL NEVER PASS AWAY**!"
Colossians 3:16: Let the **WORD OF CHRIST** dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom!
What did Jesus and the Word of God say about the Apostle Paul in Acts and in 2 Peter 3:15-16??
Acts 22:24:15: Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our ancestors has **CHOSEN YOU** to **KNOW HIS WILL** and to see the Righteous One and **TO HEAR WORDS FROM HIS MOUTH**. **YOU WILL BE HIS WITNESS TO ALL PEOPLE** of what you have seen and heard.
Acts 26:16-18: The Lord Jesus said to Paul, "Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you and **APPOINTED YOU** AS A SERVANT AND AS A WITNESS OF WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND WILL SEE OF ME**! I am sending you to the Gentiles to open their eyes and turn then from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they my receive **FORGIVENESS OF SINS** and a place among those who **SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME**!"
Acts 9:15: The Lord Jesus said to Ananias, "This man {PAUL} is **MY CHOSEN INSTRUMENT**to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel!"
Acts 20:27: Paul said, "For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the **WHOLE WILL OF GOD**!"
Chuckles &Satan claim the above 4 Scriptures that God inspired Luke to write are lies, thus making God a liar. These are definitely unpardonable sins which will earn chuckles eternal torment in hell.
2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL ALSO WROTE WITH THE WISDOM THAT GOD GAVE HIM**! He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {For the Lost}. which IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT, {Like Chuckles} as they do other Scriptures to **THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION**!{Which would be eternal torment in hell}
John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one {Like Chuckles} who does not accept My words, the very words I have spoken {In Acts 9:15 & Acts 26:16-18 above} will condemn them at the Last Day!"
Galatians 6:2: **FULFILL THE LAW OF CHRIST**!!
Hebrews 12:2: Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** AND **PERFECTER** OF OUR FAITH**!
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 30 Dec, 2019 04:02 PM
David quote:
Sorry to disagree KJVo, but you are what you read.
I’m interested in seeing, at least a rough format of, the critical analysis of the subject matter you used going into this process. And of which lead up to the conclusions you’ve drawn here.
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Sorry you said you disagree...
IF history confirms the Bible and it should...what is wrong with looking at history.? I think it would please Our Father to care enough to look into history as HE himself made mention of Claudius and other such Caesars like Augustus who was ruling at the time of Christs birth and rendered a census . The Bible is all about Y'shua and His love and sacrifice and Glory...but I gained a love of history from my late husband.
Seems you benefit here on the forum as once you thought Jesus was not the Father in the flesh...
Now you do ...or seem to be headed that way. So all has not been in vain in my posts. I work for Yahuwah and let the chips fall where they may like seed.
Veneration of the Empire and the Roman High Priest
Posted : 30 Dec, 2019 04:45 PM
Some people think Preterism is new...
However..
The earliest >>>American<<< full preterist work was 'The Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ: A Past Event', which was written in 1845 by Robert Townley.
Sooooooooooooooo.........roughly 175 years now and going strong.
