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New heaven and new earth or new covenant?
Posted : 9 Oct, 2019 04:49 PM

So many times Prophetic posts that I am going to roast in hell for my "unpardonable" sin of adding or taking away from the prophecies in Revelation because of my views of end time eschatology! Let's put Preterism to the test!



Your quote Parrot:

In Matthew 24:3,9-13: The disciples asked Jesus, “What will be the sign of your Coming and the end of the age?? Jesus answered….. {During the 42-month Great Tribulation} “Then *YOU* will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** **BECAUSE OF ME**. At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the **END** will be saved.”

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I want you to answer this! WHO is Jesus addressing?? What is the first sentence???????



YOU (meaning them ) OR they (meaning us for the 2019 year and on)???

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New heaven and new earth or new covenant?
Posted : 9 Oct, 2019 04:52 PM

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Actually God's Word shows that the **PRETERIS** view of the end times and its teachers are guilty of **ADDING** and **TAKING WORDS AWAY** from the prophecies in Revelation which is an **UNPARDONLE SIN** as per Revelation 22:18,19!

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I have ONLY posted scripture. I have NEVER added or subtracted. GOD'S WORD is Holy. We should tremble at His Words!

Isaiah 66:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

2 For all those things hath mine hand made,

and all those things have been,

saith the Lord:

but to this man will I look,

even to him that is poor and of a >>>contrite spirit<<<<,

and>>>> trembleth at my word.<<<<<<

Dictionary: Contrite: feeling or expressing remorse or penitence; affected by guilt.

"a broken and a contrite heart"



Ezekiel 9: Hear the words of the Lord. Understand his pained heart!



3-4 The Glory of the God of Israel ascended from his usual place above the cherubim-angels, moved to the threshold of the Temple, and called to the man with the writing case who was dressed in linen: “Go through the streets of Jerusalem and put a mark on the forehead of everyone who is in anguish over the outrageous obscenities being done in the city.”

5-6 I listened as he went on to address the executioners: “Follow him through the city and kill. Feel sorry for no one. Show no compassion. Kill old men and women, young men and women, mothers and children. But don’t lay a hand on anyone with the mark. Start at my Temple.”

While the massacre went forward, I was left alone. I fell on my face in prayer: “Oh, oh, God, my Master! Are you going to kill everyone left in Israel in this pouring out of your anger on Jerusalem?”

9-10 He said, “The guilt of Israel and Judah is enormous. The land is swollen with murder. The city is bloated with injustice. They all say, ‘God has forsaken the country. He doesn’t see anything we do.’ Well, I do see, and I’m not feeling sorry for any of them. They’re going to pay for what they’ve done.”



The Lord waits til the cup of iniquity is full then he judges. I used to think that the Lord Yahweh was pretty cruel back in the OT. BUT, I have come to realize alot since then. If you ever watch documentaries on Pompeii and Herculaneum, you will see abominations all throughout. Not only did they worship Jupiter, Juno, Minerva, Apollo and Venus. I think they even had a temple to Isis. Mary Beard, a host in one documentary, calls to your attention phallic symbols carved in the city walls pointing the way , most likely to a brothel. The public wind chimes were even phallic They are called Tintinnabulum .There are statues that were too pornographic to allow visitors in the Victorian era to look upon until recently. Now this statue has been entrusted to the British Museum. (Satyr having intercourse with a goat.) This was their filthy culture! NOTICE!!! that God in his mercy allowed the volcano to erupt and people even had time to escape and there were previous warnings. The 79 AD eruption was preceded by a powerful earthquake seventeen years before on February 5, AD 62.



Around 1:00 p.m., Mount Vesuvius violently erupted, spewing up a high-altitude column from which ash and pumice began to fall, blanketing the area. Rescues and escapes occurred during this time. At some time in the night or early the next day, pyroclastic flows in the close vicinity of the volcano began. Lights seen on the mountain were interpreted as fires. People as far away as Misenum fled for their lives. By evening of the second day, the eruption was over, leaving only haze in the atmosphere through which the sun shone weakly.



Pliny the Younger wrote an account of the eruption:



"Broad sheets of flame were lighting up many parts of Vesuvius; their light and brightness were the more vivid for the darkness of the night... it was daylight now elsewhere in the world, but there the darkness was darker and thicker than any night. "



The pyroclastic flow came down from Mt. Vesuvius and the heat was so intense that the terrified people's skulls exploded and the inside charred. Pretty brutal. This was 9 years AFTER the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and after the Gospel had been preached to all the world. They kept praying to their gods and dumb idols and trying to save themselves and their wealth. But what does God's Word say??

24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. 25>>> >>>>But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of THIS generation.<<<<<<<<<<

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 but the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 >>>>>Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.<<<<< 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Notice that Jesus is speaking to those in the tribulation in THIS generation. Not ours!! They had rooftops they sat on often. Like Peter who went up to his roof top to pray when he saw the vision about the sheet loaded with animals which was interpreted to mean gentiles as scripture records for us.

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Posted : 9 Oct, 2019 04:54 PM

Daniel 9:24 |



Seventy weeks are determined upon THY PEOPLE AND UPON THY HOLY CITY, to >>>finish the TRANSGRESSION<<<<, and to >>>>make an END OF SINS<<<<, and to make RECONCILIATON FOR INIQUITY, and TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and to SEAL UP THE VISION AND PROPHECY, and to ANOINT the most Holy.



Daniel 9:25



Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the MESSIAH THE PRINCE shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.



Daniel 9:26



And after threescore and two weeks shall MESSIAH be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come SHALL DESTROY THE CITY and the SANCTUARY; and the END thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the END of the WAR DESOLATIONS are



determined.



Let's start with upon thy people AND the holy city. ? Who rejected Jesus and killed their Messiah? The Jews, right? BUT then the Gospel went to the gentiles and so the WHOLE world was preached to . And we know the END will not come til then, right?? Notice the other words. End of sins, reconciliation for iniquity, bring in everlasting righteousness, seal up the vision , anoint the holy.



What vision ? Could it be the vision that John saw in Revelation? The verse goes on to say that the city will be destroyed with a flood. Well, we know from Genesis that the Lord made a covenant not to destroy the world again with a flood and therefore set his bow in the sky. The verse reveals what this flood is. It is war. A flood of soldiers to destroy the city. We know Jesus said the Temple would be raised again in three days when he spoke of his body. The sanctuary was destoyed also according to this verse. In the middle of Daniels 70th week, Messiah was cut off . I ask if that means crucifixion? or that the holy spirit will be restraining satan? This is wonderful questions that beg answers! Lets get to it.

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Posted : 9 Oct, 2019 05:05 PM

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The scriptures make sense when you are a look at them from a **PRETERIST** standpoint??



Actually God's Word shows that the **PRETERIST** view of the end times and its teachers are guilty of **ADDING** and **TAKING WORDS AWAY** from the prophecies in Revelation which is an **UNPARDONLE SIN** as per Revelation 22:18,19:



Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, nave sent My angel to give you this testimony **FOR THE CHURCHES**... I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone **ADDS ANYTHING** to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book {Which would include **ETERNAL HELL** in Rev 14:9-11!}. And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy, God will **TAKE AWAY FROM THAT PERSON** any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The **NEW JERUSALEM**} which are described in this book!!"



Matthew 24:1-3: Jesus left the Temple and was walking away when Hid disciples came up to to call his attention to its buildings. "Do you see all these things?" Jesus asked, "Truly I tell you, not one stone will be left on another; every one will be thrown down!" As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us, they said, "{Question #1} When will this happen, and {Question #2} what will be the sign of your Coming and the **END** of the age?"



The **PRETERISTS** like KJVonly believe this was only 1 Question??



The Mount of Olives Prophecies and answers to these 2 questions by Jesus are in Matthew 24 and 25 Mark 13 and Luke 21. However the answer to Question {#1} as to when the Temple will be completely destroyed in **AD 70 IS ONLY ANSWERED IN LUKE 21:20-24** below when Jesus warns His saints to flee to the mountains, and Matthew 24:34 only confirms that the Temple and Jerusalem will be destroyed within a generation and they were in AD 70. Everything else in the Mount of Olives Prophecies in Matthew 24,25, Mark 13 and Luke 21 relates on what will happen in the 1260-day Great Tribulation just before the glorious Second Coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!! and Matthew 25:31-46 tells of the judgment of all the saved and lost on the Last Day of the planet earth!



Luke 21:20-24: Jesus prophesied, "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its destruction is near {In AD 70}. Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out and let those in the countrynot enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written {See Daniel 9:26}... Ther will be great distress in the land against this people. They {The Jews} will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. {This prophecy was **FULFILLED** when the Jews took over East Jerusalem on May 14th, AD 1948 and completed when the Jews took over West Jerusalem form the Jordanian Gentiles on June 7th AD 1967 almost 1900 years later!



All of the other prophecies by Jesus in the Mount of Olives prophecies in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21 refer to Question #2 "What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age? will be completed by the 42-month {See Rev 13:4-10 below} Great Tribulation just before the Second Coming of Jesus on the Last Day when all of his saints will be resurrected and receive their new heavenly bodies immediately followed by the resurrection of the Lost and Judgement Day in Matthew 25:31-46



**SUCH AS** Matthew 24:9-13 which prophesies the great falling away at the beginning of the Great Tribulation of many in the church when they will be hated by **ALL** the nations of the world followed by the prophecy by Jesus in Matthew 24:14 that the Goispel must be preacxhed to **ALL** the nations of the world before the End will come. By AD 70 the Gospel had only been preached to those nations in the Roman Empire!



The **PRETERISTS** like KJVonly believe that all of the following events took place in AD 70 ????



In Matthew 24:3,9-13: The disciples asked Jesus, “What will be the sign of your Coming and the end of the age?? Jesus answered….. {During the 42-month Great Tribulation} “Then *YOU* will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** **BECAUSE OF ME**. At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the **END** will be saved.”



Rev 13:4-10: Men worshiped the dragon {Satan} because he had given authority to the Beast {666} and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the Beast? Who can make war against him?” The Beast will exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {1260 days}, He will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and **NATION**. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the **LAMB'S** Book of Life. Whoever has ears let him hear: "If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed." This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's saints!



Matthew 24:14: Jesus prophesied, "And this Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the **WHOLE WORLD** as a testimony to **ALL NATIONS** and **THEN the **END will come!"



Matthew 24:29-31: Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the **STARS WILL FALL** from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will ***APPEAR*** the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. and then all the {Unsaved} peoples of the earth will mourn when the see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7th & Last} trumpet call, and the will gather **HIS ELECT** from the 4 winds, from one end of heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds "From the ends of the earth!"}



Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus prophesied, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, an He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on his right. Come, you are blessed by My Father ; take your inhreritance , the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... "Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared fror the Devil and his angels....**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"



And so the only supposedly good Preterist verses in Mark 9:1 and Matthew 24:34 actually do not prove the Preterist belief and there are over 40 versus in God's Word which totally contradict the Preterist belief!



Ay honest Bible scholar will admit that none of the above events took place in AD 70 and must take place in the **FUTURE**. And therefore the Preterist belief that all the above events took place in AD 70 is completely ridiculous!

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Posted : 9 Oct, 2019 05:15 PM

**WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW HEAVEN THE NEW EARTH AND THE ETERNAL NEW JERUSALEM**!!



Except KJVonly and the Preterists who only believe in an earthly kingdom which began in AD 70????



Hebrews 12:26-28: God says, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens. The words "once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken--that is created things--so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a *KINGDOM* that can not be shaken let us be thankful...for our God is a consuming fire!



2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up . Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you {**CHURCH SAINTS*} wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists like KJVonly} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.



I Corinthians 15:50--51: I declare to you brothers, that flesh and blood CANNOT INHERIT the *KINGDOM OF GOD*... Listen I tell you a mystery: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." {COMPLETELY CONTRADICTING THE PRETERIST EARTHLY KINGDOM WITH FLESH AND BLOOD PEOPLE**}



John 18:36: Jesus says, "My *KINGDOM* is not of this world....But now, my Kingdom is from another place!!"

{**COMPLETELY CONTRADICTING THE PRETERIST EARTHLY KINGDOM!!}



Matthew 25:31-34: Jesus says, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory , and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another..He will put the sheep on the right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, "Come you who are blessed of My Father, take your inheritance, the *KINGDOM* prepared for you!!" {**DID THIS TAKE PLACE IN AD 70**??}



**WE** ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!



Except KJVonly and the Preterists who only believe in an earthly kingdom which began in AD 70????



Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!" {**DID THIS TAKE PLACE IN AD 70**??}



Hebrews 11:13-16: All these people {Abraham, Sarah Isaac, Jacob, Noah etc} were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a BETTER COUNTRY--a HEAVENLY ONE. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a *CITY* (The *NEW JERUSALEM*} for them!!



Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!



The New Jerusaem is described in Revelation 21:9 to Revelation 22:5. The New Jerusalem will be 12,000 stadia long, high and wide as per Revelation 21:16. A stadia is 606 feet long which is the exact same length as the ancient Greek stadium. 606 feet times 12,000 equals 7,272,000 feet which is 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet. A mile is exactly 5,280 feet. {1377 times 5,280 feet equal 7,270,560 feet.} And so the New Jerusalem will be exactly 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high!!



Revelation 21:9-12,15-16,19,23,27; Revelation 22:1-6: The angel said to John, “Come, I will show you the Bride the Wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from from God It shone like the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel. It had a great high wall {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet HIGH!} with 12 gates, and with 12 angels at the gates.



The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the City, its gates and its walls. The City was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the City with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia {A Stadia is exactly 606 feet} in length, and as wide and high as it is long. {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high} The wall was made of Jasper, and the City of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone....... The great street of the City was of pure gold, like transparent glass...... Only those written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be able to enter the New Jerusalem!



Revelation 22:1-5: Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the **LAMB** will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign **FOR EVER AND EVER**. The angel said to me, “These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!” {**DID THIS TAKE PLACE IN AD 70**??}



JESUS WILL WRITE ON US THE NAME OF THE CITY OF GOD THE **NEW JERUSALEM**!!



Revelation 2:18; 3:12,21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it... I will write on him the name of the City of My God, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, which is coming down out of heaven from My God....And I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."



According to Revelation 22:3 the only 2 thrones in the **NEW JERUSALEM** will be the thrones of the **FATHER** and of the **LAMB** Jesus Christ.







And the Preterist has **TAKEN ALL OF THE ABOVE WORDS AWAY FROM THE PROPHECIES IN REVELATION!!



KJVonly if you truly repent from these ridiculous Preterist beliefs God may forgive your sin!!

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Posted : 9 Oct, 2019 05:44 PM

Isaiah 66

And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the >>>>nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, <<<<that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the GENTILES. 20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in CHARIOTS, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain JERUSALEM, saith the Lord, as the children of ISRAEL bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord. 21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord. 22 For as the NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one NEW MOON to another, and from one SABBATH to another, shall ALL flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. 24 And they shall go forth, and>>>> look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me<<<<: for THEIR WORM shall not die, neither shall their FIRE be QUENCHED; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh

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Let me address you with this question Parrot...Do you drive a chariot today? Notice the cities listed!

Notice the fire not quenched. Did you catch that??? Let's compare scripture with scripture!!

Mark 9:43

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the FIRE that never shall be quenched:



44 Where their WORM dieth not, and the FIRE is not quenched.



45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the FIRE THAT SHALL NEVER BE QUENCHED:



46 Where THEIR worm dieth not, and the FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where THEIR WORM dieth not, and the FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

Here is another question Parrot...does this sound like Walmart to you ? Or , hey maybe it could be a sugar and spice and everything nice store I suppose..but I think Yahweh listed these items to help you understand that this is an ancient trade city. Rev. 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, 10 standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city BABYLON, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. 11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: 12 the merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, 13 and cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and CHARIOTS, and SLAVES, and souls of men.

DARN THOSE CHARIOTS AGAIN, NOW SLAVES TOO!

Does that sound like modern Jerusalem today??



*******Notice it says BABYLON*********. You say that HAS to be Rome. But wait! Jerusalem sits on 7 hills also!!!

https://www.biblestudy.org/maps/map-of-jerusalem-and-its-seven-hills.html

Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet (Mount of Olives) and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the old city), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.



Jerusalem is not the only city in the world considered or historically believed to be built on seven hills. Others include Rome, Babylon, Moscow, Mecca, Lisbon, Tehran and Amman. More than nineteen cities in the United States also lay claim to be founded on seven hills.

The World Mourns Babylon’s Fall

9 “The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning, 10 standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city BABYLON, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’

11 “And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: 12 merchandise of>>>>>> gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble<<<; 13 and>>>>> cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and CHARIOTS, and bodies and souls of men<<<<<. 14 The fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all the things which are rich and splendid have [g]gone from you, and you shall find them no more at all. 15 The merchants of these things, who became rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16 and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that >>>>great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls!<<<<<< 17 For in one hour such great riches [h]came to nothing.’ Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance 18 and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?’

19 “They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had SHIPS on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she [i]is made desolate.’

20 “Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you [j]holy apostles and prophets, for God has avenged you on her!”

Come on now Parrot...does that sound 1st Century to you??

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New heaven and new earth or new covenant?
Posted : 9 Oct, 2019 06:13 PM

Now KJVonly claims that the city called Babylon in Revelation chapter 18 which is completely destroyed by fire in Revelation was really Jerusalem which was partially destroyed by the Roman army in AD 70. Jerusalem is 45 miles from the sea and was never a seaport and yet we read in Revelation 18 :17-19; 21-22: Every SEA CAPTAIN, and all who travel by ship, the **SAILORS**, and all who earth their living **FROM THE SEA**, will stand far off. When they see the smoke of her burning, they will explain, "was there ever a city like this great city? " They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out: "Woe, woe to you great city, where **ALL WHO HAD SHIPS ON THE SEA** became rich through her wealth!.... "With such great violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down***NEVER** to be found again??? The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters will **NEVER BE HEARD IN YOU AGAIN????"

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New heaven and new earth or new covenant?
Posted : 9 Oct, 2019 06:24 PM

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The scriptures make sense when you are a look at them from a **PRETERIST** standpoint??



Actually God's Word shows that the **PRETERIST** view of the end times and its teachers are guilty of **ADDING** and **TAKING WORDS AWAY** from the prophecies in Revelation which is an **UNPARDONLE SIN** as per Revelation 22:18,19:



Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, nave sent My angel to give you this testimony **FOR THE CHURCHES**... I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone **ADDS ANYTHING** to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book {Which would include **ETERNAL HELL** in Rev 14:9-11!}. And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy, God will **TAKE AWAY FROM THAT PERSON** any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The **NEW JERUSALEM**} which are described in this book!!"



Matthew 24:1-3: Jesus left the Temple and was walking away when Hid disciples came up to to call his attention to its buildings. "Do you see all these things?" Jesus asked, "Truly I tell you, not one stone will be left on another; every one will be thrown down!" As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us, they said, "{Question #1} When will this happen, and {Question #2} what will be the sign of your Coming and the **END** of the age?"



The **PRETERISTS** like KJVonly believe this was only 1 Question??



The Mount of Olives Prophecies and answers to these 2 questions by Jesus are in Matthew 24 and 25 Mark 13 and Luke 21. However the answer to Question {#1} as to when the Temple will be completely destroyed in **AD 70 IS ONLY ANSWERED IN LUKE 21:20-24** below when Jesus warns His saints to flee to the mountains, and Matthew 24:34 only confirms that the Temple and Jerusalem will be destroyed within a generation and they were in AD 70. Everything else in the Mount of Olives Prophecies in Matthew 24,25, Mark 13 and Luke 21 relates on what will happen in the 1260-day Great Tribulation just before the glorious Second Coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!! and Matthew 25:31-46 tells of the judgment of all the saved and lost on the Last Day of the planet earth!



Luke 21:20-24: Jesus prophesied, "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its destruction is near {In AD 70}. Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out and let those in the countrynot enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written {See Daniel 9:26}... Ther will be great distress in the land against this people. They {The Jews} will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. {This prophecy was **FULFILLED** when the Jews took over East Jerusalem on May 14th, AD 1948 and completed when the Jews took over West Jerusalem form the Jordanian Gentiles on June 7th AD 1967 almost 1900 years later!



All of the other prophecies by Jesus in the Mount of Olives prophecies in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21 refer to Question #2 "What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age? will be completed by the 42-month {See Rev 13:4-10 below} Great Tribulation just before the Second Coming of Jesus on the Last Day when all of his saints will be resurrected and receive their new heavenly bodies immediately followed by the resurrection of the Lost and Judgement Day in Matthew 25:31-46



**SUCH AS** Matthew 24:9-13 which prophesies the great falling away at the beginning of the Great Tribulation of many in the church when they will be hated by **ALL** the nations of the world followed by the prophecy by Jesus in Matthew 24:14 that the Goispel must be preacxhed to **ALL** the nations of the world before the End will come. By AD 70 the Gospel had only been preached to those nations in the Roman Empire!



The **PRETERISTS** like KJVonly believe that all of the following events took place in AD 70 ????



In Matthew 24:3,9-13: The disciples asked Jesus, “What will be the sign of your Coming and the end of the age?? Jesus answered….. {During the 42-month Great Tribulation} “Then *YOU* will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** **BECAUSE OF ME**. At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the **END** will be saved.”{WERE THE CHRISTIANS HATED BY ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD IN AD 70???}



Rev 13:4-10: Men worshiped the dragon {Satan} because he had given authority to the Beast {666} and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the Beast? Who can make war against him?” The Beast will exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {1260 days}, He will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and **NATION**. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the **LAMB'S** Book of Life. Whoever has ears let him hear: "If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed." This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's saints!



Matthew 24:14: Jesus prophesied, "And this Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the **WHOLE WORLD** as a testimony to **ALL NATIONS** and **THEN the **END will come!"



Matthew 24:29-31: Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the **STARS WILL FALL** from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will ***APPEAR*** the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. and then all the {Unsaved} peoples of the earth will mourn when the see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7th & Last} trumpet call, and the will gather **HIS ELECT** from the 4 winds, from one end of heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds "From the ends of the earth!"}



Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus prophesied, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, an He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on his right. Come, you are blessed by My Father ; take your inhreritance , the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... "Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared fror the Devil and his angels....**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"



And so the only supposedly good Preterist verses in Mark 9:1 and Matthew 24:34 actually do not prove the Preterist belief and there are over 40 versus in God's Word which totally contradict the Preterist belief!



Ay honest Bible scholar will admit that none of the above events took place in AD 70 and must take place in the **FUTURE**. And therefore the Preterist belief that all the above events took place in AD 70 is completely ridiculous!

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New heaven and new earth or new covenant?
Posted : 9 Oct, 2019 06:28 PM

**WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW HEAVEN THE NEW EARTH AND THE ETERNAL NEW JERUSALEM**!!



Except KJVonly and the Preterists who only believe in an earthly kingdom which began in AD 70????



Hebrews 12:26-28: God says, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens. The words "once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken--that is created things--so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a *KINGDOM* that can not be shaken let us be thankful...for our God is a consuming fire!



2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up . Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you {**CHURCH SAINTS*} wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists like KJVonly} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.



I Corinthians 15:50--51: I declare to you brothers, that flesh and blood CANNOT INHERIT the *KINGDOM OF GOD*... Listen I tell you a mystery: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." {COMPLETELY CONTRADICTING THE PRETERIST EARTHLY KINGDOM WITH FLESH AND BLOOD PEOPLE**}



John 18:36: Jesus says, "My *KINGDOM* is not of this world....But now, my Kingdom is from another place!!"



{**COMPLETELY CONTRADICTING THE PRETERIST EARTHLY KINGDOM!!}



Matthew 25:31-34: Jesus says, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory , and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another..He will put the sheep on the right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, "Come you who are blessed of My Father, take your inheritance, the *KINGDOM* prepared for you!!" {**DID THIS TAKE PLACE IN AD 70**??}



**WE** ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!



Except KJVonly and the Preterists who only believe in an earthly kingdom which began in AD 70????



Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!" {**DID THIS TAKE PLACE IN AD 70**??}



Hebrews 11:13-16: All these people {Abraham, Sarah Isaac, Jacob, Noah etc} were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a BETTER COUNTRY--a HEAVENLY ONE. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a *CITY* (The *NEW JERUSALEM*} for them!!



Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!



The New Jerusaem is described in Revelation 21:9 to Revelation 22:5. The New Jerusalem will be 12,000 stadia long, high and wide as per Revelation 21:16. A stadia is 606 feet long which is the exact same length as the ancient Greek stadium. 606 feet times 12,000 equals 7,272,000 feet which is 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet. A mile is exactly 5,280 feet. {1377 times 5,280 feet equal 7,270,560 feet.} And so the New Jerusalem will be exactly 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high!!



Revelation 21:9-12,15-16,19,23,27; Revelation 22:1-6: The angel said to John, “Come, I will show you the Bride the Wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from from God It shone like the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel. It had a great high wall {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet HIGH!} with 12 gates, and with 12 angels at the gates.



The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the City, its gates and its walls. The City was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the City with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia {A Stadia is exactly 606 feet} in length, and as wide and high as it is long. {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high} The wall was made of Jasper, and the City of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone....... The great street of the City was of pure gold, like transparent glass...... Only those written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be able to enter the New Jerusalem!



Revelation 22:1-5: Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the **LAMB** will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign **FOR EVER AND EVER**. The angel said to me, “These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!” {**DID THIS TAKE PLACE IN AD 70**??}



JESUS WILL WRITE ON US THE NAME OF THE CITY OF GOD THE **NEW JERUSALEM**!!



Revelation 2:18; 3:12,21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it... I will write on him the name of the City of My God, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, which is coming down out of heaven from My God....And I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."



According to Revelation 22:3 the only 2 thrones in the **NEW JERUSALEM** will be the thrones of the **FATHER** and of the **LAMB** Jesus Christ.



And the Preterist has **TAKEN ALL OF THE ABOVE WORDS AWAY FROM THE PROPHECIES IN REVELATION!!



KJVonly if you truly repent from these ridiculous Preterist beliefs God may forgive your sin!

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New heaven and new earth or new covenant?
Posted : 9 Oct, 2019 06:32 PM

Well, riddle me this batman!

From the link :

Israel’s Ancient Ports

Today in Israel there are a number of major shipping ports where goods are received and sent across the world. However, Israel’s ports are not just essential to modern Israel, in ANCIENT TIMES the country’s ports were vital. Today it is possible to visit a number of these ancient ports and they provide a real insight life in ancient Israel.

https://aardvarkisrael.com/israels-ancient-ports/

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/jerusalem-mount-zion-babylonian-conquest-evidence-intl-scli/index.html

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New heaven and new earth or new covenant?
Posted : 9 Oct, 2019 06:39 PM

From the link provided:

"The Temple Mount, everywhere enveloped in flames, seemed to be boiling over from its base; yet the blood seemed more abundant than the flames and the numbers of the slain greater than those of the slayers. The soldiers climbed over heaps of bodies as they chased the fugitives."

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/jewishtemple.htm



***Notice*** it says : yet the blood seemed more abundant than the flames

What does God's word say?? Revelation 14:18

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, >>>>even unto the horse bridles<<<<, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

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