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Vengeance is MINE sayeth the LORD!
Posted : 26 Sep, 2019 11:56 AM

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

Deuteronomy 32:41

If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

Romans 12:19

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

The devil finds weak Christians to use to devour others like Lions in the Coliseum.

Why would he go after those he already has?

So many times I have had and still do people who love the Lord but attack me mercilessly! I pray for them often. How do you handle the enemies attacks? Do you get bitter , take revenge, or weep? Are you longsuffering and try and help them see their error?

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Posted : 26 Sep, 2019 02:39 PM

KJVonly: You try to teach a lot of doctrines which are only accepted by about 2 to 10 percent of Evangelical Christians such as KJV only, Preterism, and keeping OT Sabbath laws, etc. And so you must certainly accept that these teachings will be challenged by Evangelical Christians on this Christian Forum. It is a not a complete mystery why everyone doesn't believe the same and that is why we have Christian Forums. It is my belief that quoting lots of Scripture on each specific Bible doctrine is the best method at getting at the Truth.



2 Timothy 3:15,16: 4:1,2: You have known the **HOLY SCRIPTURES**, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. **ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**!! {**WHICH IS THE ENTIRE NEW COVENANT**} Be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people {Like Grace} will not put up with sound doctrine!



Colossians 1:25: I have become its servant by the commission God gave to me to present to you the **WORD OF GOD IN ALL ITS FULLNESS**!



I Peter 1:23-25: You have been **BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING **WORD OF GOD**!! All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the **WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER**. And this is the **WORD** that was preached to you.



Matthew 24:35: Jesus says, Heaven and earth will pass away, but **MY WORDS WILL NEVER PASS AWAY**!



John 17:17: Jesus prayed to His Father, "Sanctify them by the Truth **YOUR WORD IS TRUTH**!!"

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Posted : 26 Sep, 2019 03:18 PM

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KJVonly: You try to teach a lot of doctrines which are only accepted by about 2 to 10 percent of Evangelical Christians such as KJV only, Preterism, and keeping OT Sabbath laws, etc.

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I keep the Royal Law , the 10 commandments, not 9/10 . i keep the Sabbath. Yes.

I subscribe to the Preterist approach to end time eschatology. I didn't come by it because some Preacher taught me. I quit all preachers, online live stream churches, Facebook , everything and just disassociated myself from it all and starting reading the Bible , THEN I came across Preterism.

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Posted : 26 Sep, 2019 03:32 PM

When I got saved I asked to be like Jesus. I guess he obliged. I was so backward once that I wouldn't even talk to people on the phone but freeze up. My husband had to make me conduct our business on the phone. I appreciate it to this day..but I was nothing like I am now. I don't care if I rock the boat or appear" ignorant" in the eyes of others for the Lord. Jesus is very outspoken. He called religious leaders , "snakes, you brood of vipers!" WOW! how is that for name calling. I get my fair share of accusations of me calling names or "lying" about someone. I can't read peoples hearts like Y'shua but I can tell when someone has a preacher elevated a little too much and I call that person out on it .The Lord didn't come to bring peace in the first century but divide. God calls some to preach and that is a great commission with many responsibilities. Peter who denied Y'shua 3 times was asked to "feed my sheep" They are just men though. When a man feel down at Peter's feet to worship him , Peter rebuked him. I wonder if some people aren't just rebellious and stubborn and hate to admit that they were lied to by false teachers? Is it too much pride?

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Posted : 26 Sep, 2019 06:56 PM

My neighbor told me a story of how she worked once at a gas station and a lady co-worker used to hammer her mercilessly at work most of the time. She was patient and took it knowing vengeance was coming and boy did it! She said she was witness to a chewing out by the boss himself to this person and in front of everyone that day. It was SO bad that my neighbor felt sorry for her! She knew it was coming though.

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Posted : 26 Sep, 2019 07:39 PM

Matthew 24:1-3: Jesus left the Temple and was walking away when Hid disciples came up to to call his attention to its buildings. "Do you see all these things?" Jesus asked, "Truly I tell you, not one stone will be left on another; every one will be thrown down!" As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us, they said, "{Question #1} When will this happen, and {Question #2} what will be the sign of your Coming and the **END** of the age?"



The **PRETERISTS** like KJV only believe this was only 1 Question??



The Mount of Olives Prophecies and answers to these 2 questions by Jesus are in Matthew 24 and 25 Mark 13 and Luke 21. However the answer to Question {#1} as to when the Temple will be completely destroyed in AD 70 is only answered in Luke 21:20-24 below when Jesus warns His saints to flee to the mountains, and Matthew 24:34 only confirms that the Temple and Jerusalem will be destroyed within a generation and they were in AD 70.



Luke 21:20-24: Jesus prophesied, "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its destruction is near {In AD 70}. Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out and let those in the countrynot enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written {See Daniel 9:26}... Ther will be great distress in the land against this people. They {The Jews} will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. {This prophecy was **FULFILLED** when the Jews took over East Jerusalem on May 14th, AD 1948 and completed when the Jews took over West Jerusalem form the Jordanian Gentiles on June 7th AD 1967 almost 1900 years later!



All of the other prophecies by Jesus in the Mount of Olives prophecies in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21 refer to Question #2 "What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age? will be completed by the 42-month {See Rev 13:4-10 below} Great Tribulation just before the Second Coming of Jesus on the Last Day when all of his saints will be resurrected and receive their new heavenly bodies immediately followed by the resurrection of the Lost and Judgement Day in Matthew 25:31-46



**SUCH AS** Matthew 24:9-13 which prophesies the great falling away at the beginning of the Great Tribulation of many in the church when they will be hated by **ALL** the nations of the world followed by the prophecy by Jesus in Matthew 24:14 that the Goispel must be preacxhed to **ALL** the nations of the world before the End will come. By AD 70 the Gospel had only been preached to those nations in the Roman Empire!



The **PRETERISTS** like KJVonly believe that all of the following events took place in AD 70 ????



In Matthew 24:3,9-13: The disciples asked Jesus, “What will be the sign of your Coming and the end of the age?? Jesus answered….. {During the 42-month Great Tribulation} “Then *YOU* will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** **BECAUSE OF ME**. At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the **END** will be saved.”



Rev 13:4-10: Men worshiped the dragon {Satan} because he had given authority to the Beast {666} and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the Beast? Who can make war against him?” The Beast will exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {1260 days}, He will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and **NATION**. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the **LAMB'S** Book of Life. Whoever has ears let him hear: "If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed." This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's saints!



Matthew 24:14: Jesus prophesied, "And this Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the **WHOLE WORLD** as a testimony to **ALL NATIONS** and **THEN the **END will come!"



Matthew 24:29-31: Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the **STARS WILL FALL** from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will ***APPEAR*** the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. and then all the {Unsaved} peoples of the earth will mourn when the see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7th & Last} trumpet call, and the will gather **HIS ELECT** from the 4 winds, from one end of heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds "From the ends of the earth!"}



Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus prophesied, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, an He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on his right. Come, you are blessed by My Father ; take your inhreritance , the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... "Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared fror the Devil and his angels....**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"



And so the only supposedly good Preterist verses in Mark 9:1 and Matthew 24:34 actually do not prove the Preterist belief and there are over 40 versus in God's Word which totally contradict the Preterist belief!



Ay honest Bible scholar will admit that none of the above events took place in AD 70 and must akll take place in the **FUTURE**. And therefore the Preterist belief that all,the above events took place in AD 70 is completely ridiculous!

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Posted : 26 Sep, 2019 07:47 PM

**WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW HEAVEN THE NEW EARTH AND THE ETERNAL NEW JERUSALEM**!!



Except KJVonly and the Preterists who believe in an earthly kingdom which began in AD 70????



Hebrews 12:26-28: God says, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens. The words "once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken--that is created things--so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a *KINGDOM* that can not be shaken let us be thankful...for our God is a consuming fire!



2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up . Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you {**CHURCH SAINTS*} wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists like KJVonly} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.



I Corinthians 15:50--51: I declare to you brothers, that flesh and blood CANNOT INHERIT the *KINGDOM OF GOD*... Listen I tell you a mystery: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet."



John 18:36: Jesus says, "My *KINGDOM* is not of this world....But now, my Kingdom is from another place!!"



Matthew 25:31-34: Jesus says, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory , and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another..He will put the sheep on the right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, "Come you who are blessed of My Father, take your inheritance, the *KINGDOM* prepared for you!!"



**WE** ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!



Except KJVonly and the Preterists who believe in an earthly kingdom which began in AD 70????



Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!"



Hebrews 11:13-16: All these people {Abraham, Sarah Isaac, Jacob, Noah etc} were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a BETTER COUNTRY--a HEAVENLY ONE. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a *CITY* (The *NEW JERUSALEM*} for them!!



Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!



The New Jerusaem is described in Revelation 21:9 to Revelation 22:5. The New Jerusalem will be 12,000 stadia long, high and wide as per Revelation 21:16. A stadia is 606 feet long which is the exact same length as the ancient Greek stadium. 606 feet times 12,000 equals 7,272,000 feet which is 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet. A mile is exactly 5,280 feet. {1377 times 5,280 feet equal 7,270,560 feet.} And so the New Jerusalem will be exactly 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high!!



Revelation 21:9-12,15-16,19,23,27; Revelation 22:1-6: The angel said to John, “Come, I will show you the Bride the Wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from from God It shone like the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel. It had a great high wall {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet HIGH!} with 12 gates, and with 12 angels at the gates.



The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the City, its gates and its walls. The City was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the City with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia {A Stadia is exactly 606 feet} in length, and as wide and high as it is long. {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high} The wall was made of Jasper, and the City of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone....... The great street of the City was of pure gold, like transparent glass...... Only those written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be able to enter the New Jerusalem!



Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the **LAMB** will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign **FOR EVER AND EVER**. The angel said to me, “These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!”



JESUS WILL WRITE ON US THE NAME OF THE CITY OF GOD THE **NEW JERUSALEM**!!



Revelation 2:18; 3:12,21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it... I will write on him the name of the City of My God, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, which is coming down out of heaven from My God....And I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."



According to Revelation 22:3 the only 2 thrones in the **NEW JERUSALEM** will be the thrones of the **FATHER** and of the **LAMB** Jesus Christ.

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Posted : 26 Sep, 2019 07:52 PM

Ok, just sent a note to you about my goal to hold a conversation that goes direct to the point of discussion without attacking you the person just the subject matter that’s up for discussion. I want to avoid any highly charged emotional attacks. I want to show respect to you as the person but attack your argument only.



Alright, here goes.



It strikes me as odd, regarding your complaining about getting attacked, yet you attack others. Your attacks often amount to fact-less accusations. All I ask, is attacking other persons really being fair?



For example, when you flat out accuse the NIV translation and it’s translators of things not based on fact—are you really being fair and even minded?



Then if someone holds you to account for those unfounded accusations, you start off by crying foul, then, instead of giving a thoughtful accounting for your accusations you respond by accusing people of persecuting you.



Can you explain your actions

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Posted : 26 Sep, 2019 08:33 PM

David quote:

For example, when you flat out accuse the NIV translation and it’s translators of things not based on fact—are you really being fair and even minded?

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David, brother. I do respect you and we have to be watching out for each other as brothers and sisters in Christ!

As the the NIV and other modern translations, I have pointed out some discrepancies in the translations that are very , very alarming. Not a few words that are euphemistic but all out missing altogether or demoted as footnotes. This is confusing to readers is it not? Hasn't satan always questioned Gods' Word that he exalts above his very name? So too do readers question his Word when confronted with footnotes about verses not being found in earlier manuscripts! As to being KJV -only, I think you need to look at it as Textus Receptus- onlyism, which is the majority text and not the minority text of the NIV or NASB, etc.

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Posted : 26 Sep, 2019 08:38 PM

David

Did you ever do a comparion on bible hub concerning Colossians 1:14?

I can give you more verses to compare later also .

Please look it up and tell me what is missing . Hugs in advance.

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Posted : 26 Sep, 2019 09:11 PM

There are certainly some errors in all of the translations of God's Word in the Koine Greek which is inspired by God. By far the worst example is: After Mark 16:8 all of the major translations **EXCEPT THE KING JAMES VERSION** have a footnote which reads: "The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20."



And Mark 16:16-18: Wrongly states: "Whoever believes and is **BAPTIZED WILL BE SAVED** .... And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands, and they will **DRINK DEADLY POISON, it will not hurt them at all; they will **PLACE THEIR HANDS** on sick people, and they will get well??"



By comparing other Scripture with these mistakes we know that Baptismal Regeneration is wrong and even in the early church not every saint spoke in other languages. and there is not one other Scripture that tells us to **DRINK DEADLY POISON** and to **PICK UP SNAKES** some of which are deadly. There is also a Scripture which contradicts **PLACING HANDS ON SICK PEOPLE WILL MAKE THEM WELL** in James 5:14,15!



Of course those denominations which believe in Baptismal Regeneration and many Charismatic churches believe these verses are the inspired words of God.



And so the KJV version is the only version that implies that the extremely Satanic Mark 16:16-18 are the inspired Words of God. The KJV version is also written in 16th Century English which is very hard for 20th Century Christians to understand.



The origin of the term **EASTER** for the feast of Christ’s Resurrection has been popularly considered to be from the Anglo-Saxon **EASTRE**, a goddess of spring and the evil Queen of Heaven. {Read Jeremiah 44:22-25!}



The KJV version is the only version that translates the Greek word **PASCHA** as **EASTER** in Acts 12:4 and all other major translations correctly translate the Greek word **PASCHA** as **PASSOVER**!! {Read Jeremiah 44::22-25!}

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