I thought it would be a good idea to start this new thread because where the discussion was going in the "FLAT EARTH people - I have questions!" thread, it was really going off topic. So we can stay on topic here because what's to be discussed eventually is Yahweh's seasons/appointed times or in Hebrew "mo'ed" - "mow'ed" (Feast's!), which ever spelling you like.
Genesis 1:14, Strongs 4150.
Now I was going somewhere with my new thread I started back in July the 23rd, on page 5 now and its list of threads, called "Creation Clocks" but of course other threads at the time were being derailed by demolition expert Richard (P7744) that likes to be called Parrot and as always a distraction. Good nickname for him as he loves to "parrot" Scripture in massive dribble of them and so much of the time off topic!
We will bring to life that old thread "Creation Clocks" and move on with it here. I hope and pray its not high jacked with "dumps" of Scripture that is off topic!
So in the thread "FLAT EARTH people - I have questions" we will cover questions about flat earth there and here we will take up where we left off in the "Creation Clocks" thread. Ok?
Here is how the discussion took place or unfolded in the thread "FLAT EARTH people - I have questions" and moved here.
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Teddyhug writes,
Zech,
I have an experiment for you to do that I did. Its nothing to do with the flat earth but it does have to do with the moon.
They tell us the moon reflects the suns light, right. I would guess you believe that?
The problem is you will have to wait for the full moon in about less than two weeks.
Zecharyah writes,
Teddyhug
Careful....
I'm a bit of an amateur expert on the moon since I starting keeping the Shabbat by the moon.
The reflected light model works perfectly.
What do you misunderstand about it?
Zecharyah writes more, (he really wants to be a parrot. ;o)
Teddyhug,
To have a full moon the sun and moon have to be 180 degrees opposite of each other with the earth in the center. Therefore on earth looking at the moon it is fully lit.
When the moon is 90 degrees to the sun in relation to earth with the moon below or above is the quarter phases of the moon where it is half lit.
When the moon is between the sun and earth at 0 degrees the side to us is dark, therefore no moon, plus you'd be looking into the sun so you'd never see it except for an eclipse.
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Zech,
What do I have to be careful about, I know you like the back of my hand in what you posted before! Anything you want to know about you, you just ask, I will refresh your memory. Lol!
Quote - "I'm a bit of an amateur expert on the moon since I starting keeping the Shabbat by the moon."
I know you are a "seasons"("mo'ed" - "mow'ed") or feast keeper but an "amateur expert on the moon" that appoints Yahweh's feasts you are not but your a beginner on actual witness of the phases of the moon. I will prove that eventually, my student! Lol! Your assumption above when you post of quarter phases of moon is that it relies upon the sun for its light, There my friend is your mistake
and again modern tools will prove that, but more so the Bible! True are the positions of the sun and moon to Yahweh's feasts days you have stated but in error you are that the moon relies upon the sun for its phases kind Sir.
Quote - "The reflected light model works perfectly."
Ummmmm no, the moon is NOT a reflector! Can I prove that? Answered above. More details later.
Lets get on with this fun study!
Zech - "How you rid'n? Loose a stirrup yet" there buddy? Lol!
Oh and first lets answer the question I posted!
What I posted in thread "Creation Clocks" was a question and the thread got a little derailed in discussion (my fault!) of the Biblical beyond a doubt flat earth! So perhaps it was lost by the flat earth debate BUT nobody gave an answer. Who would be so brave to answer such a difficult question???
Atheists LOVE to make fun of Christians when they say "you worship a silly G_d that makes a sun on day one and another on day four" they proudly state in a puffed up chest, there is only one sun!
Do you have an answer for them? Every Christian should but its a fact they just ignor the question and look like fools to the atheists! OUCH!
So come on! How would you respond to that in your face logic by an Atheists?
Good nickname for him as he loves to "parrot" Scripture in massive dribble of them and so much of the time off topic!
We will bring to life that old thread "Creation Clocks" and move on with it here. I hope and pray its not high jacked with "dumps" of Scripture that is off topic!
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Most of it is him posting about being born again by the enduring WORD of GOD because some here do not understand that and call it dung. Repeatedly ... like a parrot.
Birds of a feather flock together!
What is this about feasts?...I don't mind a light study because it was a shadow of things to come , pointing to Christ but if you are trying to slip things under the radar here, I am watching!! I will never keep a feast day again as old testament people were required to do so and I am not living in the OT days which are passed. Done away with .
The question must be: “What does the Bible say to christians?” Why? Because what God now says to Christians is in many respects different than what He said to the Jews of the Old Testament. The sad news is that too few Christians understand the differences, and, as a result, many are unnecessarily trying to live according to directives given by God to other people at other times. This leads at best to confusion about the things of God, and at worst to spiritual and emotional bondage.
Much of that which was specifically addressed to Israel was superseded or changed in the Church Epistles, which are written specifically to Christians. “Uh-oh,” some people say, “you’re placing the words of Paul above the words of Jesus.” No, the Church Epistles are also the words of Jesus, as per Galatians 1:11. The question is: to whom was Jesus speaking?
The Greek word oikonomia appears nine times in the New Testament, and is best translated “administration,” that is, a way in which God relates to mankind, the “rules and regulations,” if you will, for the people on earth during a particular time. Let the record show that God is very clear in His communication to people about what He expects from them in each administration. This is much like presidential administrations in the USA. When a new president is inaugurated, some things remain the same and other things change, depending upon his decisions as to how things will be during his presidency. Then people choose whether or not to adhere to the rules.
It was during the administration of the Law (Exod. 20:1—Acts 1:26) that Jesus first came to the earth to Israel. He was born, lived, died, was resurrected, instructed his disciples about the coming gift of holy spirit, and ascended to heaven. As a Jew, he kept the ceremonial requirements of the Mosaic Law by observing the Sabbath, keeping the feasts of Israel, etc. But look at the instructions the Lord Jesus gave to Paul for the Christian Church:
Colossians 2:16 and 17
(16) Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
(17) These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
In Colossians, the “you” is those born again of God’s holy spirit, for whom no such holiday observance is ever prescribed. In fact, the above verses are saying that there is no such thing that is relevant to the Church, the Body of Christ, Christians. Do the Church Epistles say that Christians should get together with others and celebrate, sing, praise, worship, pray, minister, hear the Word—and eat? Absolutely. But there is no prescribed day—or way.
Consider this: if Christians are to keep the feasts of Judaism, should they not keep the whole Law? In Galatians 5:3, Paul says just that, substituting “circumcision” as the part of the Law in question. Take a good look at verses 1-15 in order to get the whole context, and to see what Paul (writing by revelation from Jesus Christ) thinks about Christians being put under any part of the old Mosaic Law. If we are to keep the feasts, what about animal sacrifices to worship God? No, Christians are not required to keep these laws.
Remember Hebrews 10:1 (above)? The Law was not the reality to which God looked forward. Then remember what Colossians 2:17 said about the festivals and holidays? “These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.” In that light, consider the following verses:
1 Corinthians 5:6-8 (NKJV)
(6) Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
(7) Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
(8) Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
What’s the point? That because of the finished work of Jesus Christ, and his giving the gift of holy spirit on the Day of Pentecost, believers today (“Christians”) are unique in the annals of spiritual history. If you have made Jesus Christ your Lord and believed that God raised him from the dead, you are born again of God’s spirit and forever righteous in His sight. in Christ, you have been cleansed of sin from the inside out. The Redeemer to whom the Old Testament feasts and rituals pointed now lives in your heart. There is no ritual or work you need to do in order to stand approved before your heavenly Father. Knowing your standing as a son of God should make every day worth celebrating!
Isaiah 40:22: He {God} sits enthroned above the **CIRCLE OF THE EARTH**!
The circumference of the round earth is 24,902 miles. The fastest commercial airline is the Concorde with a top speed of 1330 MPH. If you flew A Concorde at just 1,000 MPH due **WEST** from Miami Florida you would reach Miami in about 25 hours. And you flew from Miami due **EAST** you would also reach Miami in about 25 hours!!
They still arrive at the same location again, without finding any edge of the Earth. That is only possible in a round sphere globe shaped Earth!!
"Atheists LOVE to make fun of Christians when they say "you worship a silly G_d that makes a sun on day one and another on day four" they proudly state in a puffed up chest, there is only one sun!"
This is called "reading into the Text".
The Text doesn't say God made the sun on day one. While it is an admittedly common mistake to conflate "light" with "sun" it is not what the Text says.
Therefore to the atheist I would say; "this is a Strawman argument".
The seven annual feasts were spread over seven months (Deuteronomy 16, Leviticus 23), at set times appointed by God. They foreshadow the set times of God's work of redemption through His Son, Jesus, as affecting both Jesus and believers in him.
The Passover
The term "passover" is to be considered in the sense of "hovering over", i.e. to protect or deliver. God's presence overshadowed His people for their protection. The nation of Israel was transferred from physical slavery leading to death in Egypt, to lifelong service to God. Likewise, the believer in Christ is delivered from spiritual slavery (bondage to sin) leading to death, to a life of service to Christ, leading to eternal life. Jesus, the Lamb of God, is our Passover.
1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."
The Feast of Unleavened Bread
This was a continuation of the Passover. Yeast (or leaven) promotes fermentation and Scripture uses yeast as a type of sin (1 Corinthians 5:6,7). Forgiveness for our sins can be obtained through the intercession of Christ, our mediator. Entry to this feast is possible only because "Christ our passover is sacrificed for us." Both the Passover and the feast without leaven show essentials for the believer. As there were 7 days eating bread without yeast, so for the believer there should be a complete life separate from sin. The sacrifice of Christ is of no benefit unless sinful yeast is excluded from our life.
The Feast of Firstfruits
This prefigured the resurrection of Jesus. The ceremony took place on the third day from the Passover; Jesus rose the third day (Matthew 16:21). 1 Corinthians 15:20, "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept." Until the sheaf of the firstfruits had been presented to the Lord, no one was permitted to eat bread, parched corn, or green ears. So, until God had reaped the firstfruits from the tomb in the garden, there could be no gathering of the harvest (1 Corinthians 15:23).
The Feast of Weeks (or Pentecost / Harvest)
This was held at the beginning of wheat harvesting, seven weeks from the Feast of Firstfruits (Leviticus 23:15-16). In the New Testament it is called Pentecost (Greek 'pente' = fifty). This festival commemorated the giving of the Law which took place 50 days after the Sabbath following the Passover. On the day of Pentecost following Jesus' resurrection (Acts 2), a new revelation was given to the people in the gospel preached by the apostles, with the invitation to all to enter a covenant with God through baptism into Christ.
Acts 2:38, "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
The Feast of Trumpets
Almost four months after the Pentecost, though not at a precise interval, the feast of Trumpets was a day of rest celebrated with trumpet blasts and sacrifices when the nation was presented before God. This prefigured the time when the Lord came down from heaven with the trumpet call of God. This was fulfilled in 70AD.
1 Thessalonians 4:16, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God..."
1 Corinthians 15:52, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound..."
The Day of Atonement
On this day the priests offered sacrifices of atonement for themselves and the people. The ordinance of the scape-goat was a figure of the death and resurrection of Christ, and the atonement thereby made, which pointed forward to the work of redemption accomplished by Christ.
Hebrews 9:7,11, "But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;"
Hebrews 9:24-26, "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."
The Feast of Tabernacles (or Booths)
The feast of tabernacles commemorated their wandering forty years in the wilderness, but foreshadowed when they were given a judgment period of 40 years to repent before the destruction of Jerusalem. In contrast to the Day of Atonement, during which the Israelites were to afflict themselves, during this festival they are commanded to rejoice. This third great festival held at the end of the harvest prefigured when the redeemed rejoiced before God (Revelation 7:9-17). The harvest of faithful ones represented the final ingathering developed out of the waving of the first single sheaf (typifying the Lord Jesus Christ) on the first day of the week following Passover.
You may wish to denigrate my practical knowledge of keeping time by the moon. That's fine, cause I know better. After much study I knew I had it all figured out....that is....until I tried to put it into practice. Then I realized even though I knew, I didn't really understand. It would take an additional two years to become proficient at keeping time by the moon. It is now second nature, like looking at a clock on the wall. In fact when I see the moon in movies or pictures I chuckle to myself cause I know what time of the month and time of night the movie was filmed or picture taken.
Teddyhug, when you can do that - then your words will carry more weight. You underestimate the value of practical knowledge and lean to theories on paper or computer screens. My advice to you - get out of your head and into reality - I had to, before I knew that I knew.
Jesus fulfilled the Spring Feasts in chronological order then there is a long wait until the fall Feasts....Therefore the next Feast to be fulfilled after the long wait is Yom Teruah (Trumpets).
IF it is fulfilled in 70ad with the destruction of the Temple as you say - then you have a problem in placing Yom Kippur (Atonement) and Sukkoth (Tabernacles) BEFORE trumpets. Your model doesn't work.
Furthermore you miss the actual meanings of the Feasts and therefore the fulfillment.
Then you be blind and read into all the so called signs of the times according to the world , not scripture. For instance, the world was excited or freaking out or both when Trump was running for office.
SO many feast and rapture watchers were reading into that and saying Trump + Pence meant TRUMPETS!
Oh boy!'Jesus is soon to fulfill the feast of Trumpets!!..
and that third temple is sure coming if we can get it built on the dome of the rock and take it from the Muslims!! A holy war is coming, Gog and Magog!
For the rapture subscribers,
Better get your apocalypse food from Jim Baker so you can ride the tribulation through if you should find yourself on the left behind list and hopefully you don't get POISONED by it first cause John Hagee's blood moons are another sign of the times !! Better just go live out in the field waiting to be beamed up if you think your worthy to be raptured!! Then the atheiest survivormen go and build a fallout shelter underground and think they are super cool for being so prepared.. Nothing but confusion and chaos !
