Author	Thread: Prove it for gods sake
Admin	Prove it for gods sake Posted : 21 Nov, 2017 03:07 PM It was always important to me as a christian never to deny god or to lead others to doubt his existence. If i was struggling with my faith, i shut my mouth so that my thoughts wouldnt influence another to not believe. However, i think im done. I dont really think there is a god. The bible does contradict itself. Read this: https://thoughtcatalog.com/jim-goad/2014/05/30-pairs-of-bible-verses-that-contradict-one-another/ what if we're wrong? Think about it...what actual proof is there that god is real? Really honestly think about that question. If i never was told about jesus or heard his name, if i was clueless as to who he is or what hes done and no believers tried to convice me hes perfect, what would make me believe hes out there? He has never talked to me, ive never seen him, loved ones died without a chance to actually turn to him, my prayers arent answered and at some point of time people told me everything that i now believe in as a christian. God was never there. God might just be the adult version of santa claus. Ive never seen santa, but i was told he watches me and knows everything i do. He brings me gifts unless i wasnt good. Everyone told me he is real and he loves me, but ive never seen him so i just have to trust and believe. I really dont think god is real. I might be calling this quits. Tell me why you believe in god, but leave out everything that someone else convinced you of. I would like the older people to answer this question, " what kept your faith strong throughout the years, of all the times people said that the rapture is going to happen soon that they just feel it..but then 30 years passes and it starts all over again. Out of all the hardship youve experienced in your lifetime, why do you still believe in a god?". Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. �2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem� �2 Chronicles 36:9. No man hath seen God at any time. �John 1:18 For I have seen God face to face. �Genesis 32:30 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death. �II Samuel 6:23 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah�and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul. �II Samuel 21:8 Post Reply
View Profile History	Prove it for gods sake Posted : 21 Nov, 2017 03:34 PM Wheres my help? Of all the people i brought to church and introduced to god and of all the people ive helped, wheres my help? I dont have any christian family or friends and i have yet to find a church with a pastor that preaches the word of god, and on this website ive only met thirsty old men that dont take no for an answer. Im alone. If theres a god, wheres my help? Post Reply
Ocean17 View Profile History	Prove it for gods sake Posted : 21 Nov, 2017 04:30 PM TYJ It takes courage to admit what you have. I know there is a God because for all my life he has been there. I see it know but I didn't then nor during some very difficult moments. I signed in this website in the Spring and forgot about it until the end of September. I was looking for something to take my mind of the stress of being the main care contact of an elderly parent. I was also very discouraged with the constant highly negative news. I needed Good News. It's not the same for everyone but I have participated and read some thought provoking comments. Now when I have insomnia (at times I think I will be receiving the phone call) I think of other stuff instead of my parent. May I suggest you get a cheap note book and begin to thank God for what you have (health, a home, a job etc...). Thank him for everything you have. Go into details if you have trouble focusing. Try to see all the good little things that occur every day but we don't always notice it. Pray, pray, pray....it may be discouraging at times because God answers His way and in His time. Remember "no comment" is a comment in itself. I'm grateful that God hasn't given me what I wanted. I prefer His choices than mine. I love music and I have often quietly hummed or sang a song from the Sunday service repetoire. Look for Him and you will find Him waiting for you. I hope this has encouraged you a little. If you need, I will put more in another post. Blessings to you! Post Reply
View Profile History	Prove it for gods sake Posted : 21 Nov, 2017 06:23 PM Im not saying that im losing faith, im saying that i have reasons to believe that he just doesnt exist. I listed 4 bible verses that literally contradict themselves, but apparently gods word is perfect and has no flaws? Why would i pray? To what? Hes not real..he doesnt answer any prayers. Your post made me believe in christ less. Ive spent my entire life dedicating myself to living holy and serving christ and ive ALWAYS done it 100% on my own. I say, "wheres MY help?" because when a non believer had a question i would give them an answer...so wheres my answer? If the bible "cant condradict itself" then explain those condradicting verses i listed. My dad is gay. Ive spent my entire life telling him that i love him but hate his sin. It kills him and it tore are family apart so there dam well better be a god. Imagine spending your lifenserving a god that doesnt exist rather than supporting your dad and his life choices. I have too much riding on this, but i think im giving up on the idea of god. Theres just not enough proof he exists. Answer that question, " if the bible cant condradict itself because gods word is perfect, how do you explain those 4 (of many) bible verses that i listed?" Post Reply
View Profile History	Prove it for gods sake Posted : 21 Nov, 2017 06:35 PM Thou shalt not kill. �Exodus 20:13 Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side. and slay every man his brother�companion�neighbor. �Exodus 32:27. Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord. �Proverbs 12:22 The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. �I Kings 22:23 And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month�Nebuzaradan�came�unto Jerusalem� �2 Kings 25:8 �in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month�came Nebuzaradan�into Jerusalem� �Jeremiah 52:12. Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. �2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem� �2 Chronicles 36:9. For I am the Lord; I change not. �Malachi 3:6 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. �Exodus 32:14. No man hath seen God at any time. �John 1:18 For I have seen God face to face. �Genesis 32:30. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. �Romans 3:23 There was a man�who name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright. �Job 1:1. Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. �II Kings 8:26 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. �II Chronicles 22:2 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. �Mark 15:25 �about the sixth hour�they cried out�crucify him�.Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. �John 19:14-16. Explain those verses please..they are a few of many that condradict themselves Post Reply
View Profile History	Prove it for gods sake Posted : 22 Nov, 2017 12:35 AM Hello, yeah the truth seeker here. I will deal with this when i return from work. First you need to read the entire scripture, not just a verse. 2nd, get rid of the bad attitude. 3rd, talk with people that actually KNOW Messiah, and KNOW what He is like. Post Reply
View Profile History	Prove it for gods sake Posted : 22 Nov, 2017 02:04 AM A lot of the seeming contradictions in specific verse has to do with being blind to the context, possibility of irony or generally just taking the figurative literally. All instances of literal verse are also figurative but not all instances of figurative are also literal. For example Job is called "perfect" but later proven to not be at all, he merely SEEMED perfect even to himself. That pride was the hidden sin that he had to move past. You cannot actually prove the spiritual because the only proof anyone can actually gather is physical and never the twain shall meet other than via the soul, at best we can record the effects. Similar to not being able to see a passing ship but only seeing the wake it leaves in the water which dissapears shortly after the ship has passed. This is why everyone kept asking Jesus for "signs and wonders" and why He refused to grant them the parlour tricks they desired of Him, it would have left nothing lasting. For me personally the "proof" was that ALL evil big and smalle fears God and HATES Jesus to the point of insanity sometimes. Even the most neutral secularist/atheist is comparitively calm if dismissive about Krishna/Buddha/Muhamhed/etc but becomes visibly uncomfortable or even extremely agitated when Jesus is talked about. One of the best ways to know someone is not by their friends but by their enemies. Lastly you let slip that the gay thing is why you have so much energy vested in this, making it seem like it's more a matter of how you feel than what you believe... the heart will ALWAYS irrationally betray you somehow unless you keep it under control which is why repressive regimes always focus on "winning hearts and minds". There are many myths about "being gay" most of them enduring only because it is pilitical correctness social suicide to even THINK of questioning them. One of those myths is that sexual hunger has a purely physical source, there are physical sexual systems and hormones yes but that only serves as throttle. The wheel steering sex drive is partially in the mind (not brain) and partually in the spirit in that it lies in the soul that binds body and spirit. The direction of that wheel can be changed but usually it gets "locked" in a specific direction and once that happens only an emmense ammount of spiritual energy can break it free of being locked NOT physical treatments. Post Reply
View Profile History	Prove it for gods sake Posted : 22 Nov, 2017 05:44 AM Hi Thank You Jesus. Interesting screen name for someone that seems to be unthankful. First, there is one person on this site that wants to be your friend and would share everything they know about GOD Almighty with you, BUT you burned that bridge. You want GOD Almighty to help you because you helped others, seems like you did not help with an open hand, leaving the results with GOD Almighty. Instead of bringing people to the business called the 'church', you should have brought them to Messiah, the GOOD Shepherd. When we love others and help them that should be without conditions, do not look to be paid back. Instead of waiting for some clown self proclaiming to be a pastor, read, and study the Word of GOD for yourself, asking for wisdom and understanding. The Holy Spirit will lead you into truth, and gives Discernment to knowing truth. Ask, GOD Almighty for a teachable spirit, and ask Him to show you who He is, and to know what He is like. If you ever want to talk tou know where to reach me. By the way, not every man on this site is a dirty old man, some of us just want to get to know the heart and mind of the woman they want to be friends with first. Post Reply
View Profile History	Prove it for gods sake Posted : 22 Nov, 2017 09:51 AM Well first of all lets get this out of the way, grace not works, id rather not talk to you. Ive asked you on several occassions to leave me alone until finally i resorted in blocking you. And rambo, how are those not literal texts? Youre saying that the age those men reighned was symbolic? How so? Thats a 10 year difference. Ive been a christian for years, its not my emotions getting in the way all of a sudden, its the guilt of possibly being wrong about the existencen of god, when i could have been there for my dad. For years ive walked this journey completely by myself, but it just doesnt seem real any more. Post Reply
View Profile History	Prove it for gods sake Posted : 22 Nov, 2017 11:33 AM You are not angry with me, your anger is towards GOD Almighty. He is not responsible for your dad, or the family, he needed to be responsible for the choice he made. GOD Almighty is not obligated to answer you, me or anyone in this life, He does answer to reveal His love towards that person. Maybe GOD Almighty is speaking with you thru people like myself, but you do not like what i say, maybe hitting a little too close to the conscience. The JUST shall live by FAITH, maybe you do not want faith, maybe you like laws, rules, and regulations. Post Reply
View Profile History	Prove it for gods sake Posted : 22 Nov, 2017 11:33 AM You are not angry with me, your anger is towards GOD Almighty. He is not responsible for your dad, or the family, he needed to be responsible for the choice he made. GOD Almighty is not obligated to answer you, me or anyone in this life, He does answer to reveal His love towards that person. Maybe GOD Almighty is speaking with you thru people like myself, but you do not like what i say, maybe hitting a little too close to the conscience. The JUST shall live by FAITH, maybe you do not want faith, maybe you like laws, rules, and regulations. Post Reply

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