The Lord comes from Heaven. The dead inChrist rise up. We that are alive get caught up with them in the clouds. We all meet the Lord in the air. We are "ever" being with the Lord. "Ever" is forever in my book. The Lord comes from Heaven, meets us and takes us back with him.
Noooo...the word "rapture" is not used but so what! We are going with Jesus! Right? Right! Well for some reason...ONLY ONLINE ....I keep meeting folk who don't want us to be taken to Heaven. They want us to be taken to the clouds and just floating there....birds pooping on us forever I guess.
Last night someone said we are being taken to war at Arrmageddon instead. Sooo....we are forever at war??
I don't think so.! Has ANYBODY ever heard of this "disbelief" in being caught up to be with Jesus in Heaven or this "Armageddon" theory?? Tell me....I want to know.
This online Ministry you have to be careful because you have all kinds of understandings and different teachings and if the truth was to be told alot do not line up with the word of God rightly divided.
Sis I think once you show someone what the word say and they avoid it and make it say what they want it to say ...
I believe at that point you should practice 2 Timothy 2:23
But foolish and unlearned questions AVOID, KNOWING THAT THEY DO GENDER STRIFE.
Back to online Ministry, we can not pastor NO ONE from the computer so if I was you I would help them Find a good teaching church in their area so they can plug in.:yay:
The "Rapture"...Pre-Tribulation theory was an invention of the late 1700s possibly by Morgan Edwards however John Nelson Darby is credited with this new theory in 1835AD...prior to that...no one ever taught or believed in a PRE-Tribulation Rapture. It is a False Doctrine not supported in scriptures whatsoever. It is actually the minority view in Christianity today and is rightfully losing ground. People are waking up and realizing that they have been misled.
For over 1700 years Christianity only believed and taught of a Post-Tribulation Resurrection and Rapture. That has been the Orthodox view.
I have written several articles in threads below this one which clearly shows the truth of this matter. Please read them if you are interested in the truth of God's Word.
It is Christ Himself Who Teaches this "Armageddon theory"
that U disbelieve with such contempt. He is the one that tells us that He Comes Like A Thief at the Time of Armageddon. He is the only one who U are accusing of being a heritic of your faith:
Besides Walters 3 Excellent Posts on this subject,
I also have a post farther on down the line called "A Doctrine of Deception that may lead many to Destruction"
I would suggest that U get your Bible out again. And if U cant make any sense of it from your KJV then try using one that talks in plainer english. It might be easier to understand. Afterall what good is the KJV if U cant understand it?
They All tell us that Yahshua returns like a thief at the Last Trumpet...It is the apostate church leaders who are teaching differently.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great...:yay:
If you believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture then you are believing in a False Doctrine totally unsupported by scripture. If you have an open mind and heart for God's word then you should consider reading my articles and demonstrate where you think I violated Hermeneutics.
No where in God's word is there a Pre-Trib Rapture...it is a lie of Satan designed to deceive Christians and weaken their faith.
2Tim 4:2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
4 AND THEY WILL TURN THEIR EARS AWAY FROM THE TRUTH, and be turned aside to fables. NKJV
IF YOU ARE SO SURE OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE GOD BLESS YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WORK OUT OUR OWN SOUL SALVATION.
BESIDES I WOULD RATHER GIVE MY ATTENTION TO THE SISTERS WHEN I AM ON THE SITE VS DEBATING WITH YOU
SIR.
ALL I KNOW IS WHEN MY SPIRIT LEAVE THIS BODY I WILL BE IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU I DO NOT CARE HOW I GET THERE LONG AS I HEAR WELL DONE MY GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVENT. THATS MY FOCAL POINT IN MY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MOST HIGH.
ON TOP OF THAT I DO NOT EAT FROM EVERYONE TABLE.
MY PASTOR(SPIRITUAL FATHER) IS DOING A GOOD JOB.
I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANOTHER PASTOR SIR:ROFL::ROFL:
IF I AM WRONG I PRAY THAT YOU COME IN AGREEMENT WITH ME THAT MY EYES BE OPENED AND IF YOU ARE WRONG .......................I WILL LEAVE THAT BETWEEN YOU AND GOD NOT FOR ME TO JUDGE.
GO BACK AND READ MY POST AND TELL ME WHAT COMMENT I MADE ABOUT THE RAPTURE?
BUT YET YOU ARE TELLING ME 'IF I BLIEVE SOMETHING I AM WRONG'
SEEK FIRST TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE YOU TRY TO BE UNDERSTOOD. THATS THE ROAD I WOULD TAKE, YOU WILL BE SURPRISED HOW FAR YOU WILL GET WITH PEOPLE.:prayingm:
You had made a comment which seemed to support what the original poster of this thread posted which is a False teaching. Additionally you also made comments that you were not here to "correct" me. That would certainly be an indication that you do not agree with the Post-Trib Rapture.
Furthermore I also said and was clear...that.."IF you believe in the Pre-Trib rapture"....then you were believing falsely and should seek a church that does not teach that False Doctrine. Notice I did not say you did....only that "IF" you did.
Everything you said would lead one to believe that you do in fact believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture.
This is a Bible Study forum thread. That means it's for ....ah...Bible Studies and discussions.
You said: "BESIDES I WOULD RATHER GIVE MY ATTENTION TO THE SISTERS WHEN I AM ON THE SITE VS DEBATING WITH YOU SIR.
WALTER: Gee... Mike... are we men not worthy of fellowship and discussions with you?
You know Mike....you might have your own agenda for being here, [THE SISTERS]....but with all due respect, perhaps God has something else in mind for you. Perhaps you should consider being more open. Many times when we focus so hard upon the tree in front of us, we forget to see the whole forest around us.
