Thread: Looking for books mentioned but not included.
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Looking for books mentioned but not included.
Posted : 23 Mar, 2009 02:54 PM
I've came across a few books mentioned in what is left of the bible, but no longer included, if ever included. Some of them I am pretty sure have vanished from the face of the earth, or have yet to be un-earthed. Others on the other hand might be out there, but I've yet to find any info on them.
I'd be highly interested in reading them, so if anyone knows anything about them please shoot me some info!
Thankx in advance!!!
Book of the Wars of the Lord (NUM 21:14)
Book of Jasher (JOSH 10:13) FOUND? : http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/home.html
Book of the Acts of Solomon (1st Kings 11:41)
Book of Samuel the Seer (1st Chr. 29:29)
Book of Gad the Seer (1st Chr. 29:29)
Book of Nathan the Prophet (1st & 2ndChr. 29:29)
Prophecy of Ahijah (2nd Chr. 9:29)
Visions of Ido the Seer (2nd Chr. 9:29)
Book of Shemaiah (2nd Chr. 12:15)
Book of Jehu (2nd Chr. 20:34)
Sayings of the Seers (2 Chr. 33:19)
An Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9)
An Epistle of the Church at Laodicea (Col 4:16)
Other Prophecies to Enoch (Jude 1:14)
Book of the Covenant (Exodus 24:7)
The Manner of the Kingdom / Book of Statutes (1 Samuel 10:25)
The Book(s) of Enoch : I have found these and from what I gather the 1st two books are held to be legit, but the third is said to have been written sometime in the past two thousand years, thus making it not part of the original two. And interesting thing about these books is that The Red Print in the New Testament quotes from these books various times, word for word, and yet the books were not included when the Roman Catholic Church took it upon themselves to consolidate the Christian Movement and construct their own collection and translation of texts that were in circulation at the time.
Hello X Delusion...:ROFL:...I'm Dan de Lion:waving:
I too have often wondered why we only have 66 Books in the Bible especially since-as Your References Pointed Out-
The Bible Actually Refers Us to These Other Books For Further Reading!!!
So What Gave Men The Rght To Exclude Them???
And Perhaps More Important Is Why Did They Choose To Exclude The Ones They Did.
You can probably find most of them by Googling "Apocrypha"
But these "Apocryphal Books" are probably just the list of (about 13?) Books that the Catholic Bible Has (or had?)...
But some of them May go by Different Names...
For instance "The Book of Daniel & Suzannna"(not in your list) is actually the 13th Chapter of Daniel in an old Catholic Bible that I have...And I think The Book of "Daniel versus the Dragon" is Daniel 14 in that Old Catholic Bible.
I think there are also ones known as "Lost Books" which may be much more questionable as far as authenticity, & harder to find.
I will see if I can get a list from the old Catholic Bible to see how many, & which ones are there..
Indeed, I am familiar with the "Lost Books", Gnostic Scripture, The "Dead Sea Scrolls" Apocrypha, Pseudographia, etc. etc. In fact I have a large chunk of these various gospels in book form.
I have wondered if some of the books listed here merely went under a different name and are within our grasp, though from the way things are looking, there were so many documents floating around at the time that the bible and everything that was not included in it that we now have access or partial access to are just the tip of the ice burg.
Thus far, the books I have that are of particular interest to me are:
The Gospel of Thomas (multiple copies found in multiple locations)
The Gospel of the Holy Twelve (also multiple copies, multiple sources, and like Thomas, older than 3 if not all 4 of the "Orthodoxed" churche's gospels.)
The Book of Adam and Eve. (Not as old a GenIsis, but was still a very popular read with early Christians, though of course you will find that GenIsis is (as is with many books) a re-telling of earlier Egyptian, Vedic (pre-Kama-Sutra era), and Sumerian tales).
Anyhow, yes what gives such a right? Though the bible does warn us of those who would add to or remove from the bible....
...yet again the bible was not always a bible. The Bible is merely a consolidation of certain scripture, and exclusion of other scripture in an attempt by the Church to form Orthodxy (right thinking), to form Catholicism (Universal)...
...in other words, one religion for the whole of the world.
Aghh, church history, indeed an interesting study which one should know....
....always know thy enemy for thy enemy is known to take what you have, what is already in your grip, makes it seem as if it is out of your grip, beyond you, transforms it, alters it, dilutes it, corrupts it, and sells it back to you.
The reason most were left out was they decided not to canonize them. There are various reasons, but most were not historically, or geographically accurate. The reasoning being that if part is false, you have to throw out the whole thing.
After reading many of these books, I have to say I agree with them. These books are not even close to the works placed in the Bible. I would have a hard time thinking they were inspired by God. Most have contradictions within themselves. I was not impressed, though it was entertaining. If you are reading for enjoyment, I see no problem.
Given the reputation of those who organized the "canon", I tend to question the motives of that side as well.
You are correct though, "many" of the so called lost books do some across as blatantly fake. It would seem that the political struggle for the minds and hearts of men took place as much in text as it did through the brute force of the ruling state and religious organizations.
I often wonder where many of these documents came from, who had the education to write such works (as such an education and access to such information was not available to the masses), and for what reason.
All in all, I do see one thing for sure...
...people tend to put more emphasis on mere documents and the power of mental dogmas, than they do upon humanity, life, and person to person relationships, not to mention a personal relationship with "The All" aka God Almighty.
You see, the Natives, my ancestors (I'm Irish, Cherokee, and Shawnee) did not have access to a printing press, and the so called civilized white men from what is now called the European Union, fancies themselves as the civilizers of the western world...
...their saviors.
Last I checked only the Grace of God saves men, not text, not man, not dogma, or theology, but Grace, God's Grace.
Taking that into consideration, yes these documents are a fun read, they give us great historical insight, insight into ourselves, our government, organizations, institutions, human truths, and on that note, social indoctrination and the New World Order, but one thing is for sure, any universal Truth must come from God, at most the wisdom hinted at in art, musick, or written word merely offers a peek at ultimate reality, a mere reflection, a mere hint...
