Thread: Pj can you please explain to me to where I am not having to guess at what you mean, when exactly did I acuse Jesus of being wrong? I acused you of being wrong and I plainly p;ainly stated that I do believe we will prosper everything I ever said was about our intent and the condition of our hearts so please explai what you mean by I did it again and that I said Jesus was wrong
Pj can you please explain to me to where I am not having to guess at what you mean, when exactly did I acuse Jesus of being wrong? I acused you of being wrong and I plainly p;ainly stated that I do believe we will prosper everything I ever said was about our intent and the condition of our hearts so please explai what you mean by I did it again and that I said Jesus was wrong
Posted : 31 Jan, 2012 05:49 PM
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Posted : 30 Jan, 2012 07:01 AM
Elisha said
That is what I ben trying to say newguy . PJ just cause I dont agree with you does not mean automaticly that I am in unbelief because to classify me in unbelief on a given subject you must first decide a few things #1 maybe you are wrong
(which is what I think on the subject of prosperity) #2 its possible that you have been mislead or decieved which would still make you wrong but someone else decieved you (i think you figured out the le on your own) #3 we are having a misunderstanding and you are not understanding what it is i am trying to say or vise versa you have several times completly ignored my statements that TV evangilists prey on por people by convincing them they wont be poor anymore if they send what little they have , I didint say all prosperity ws wrong just that doctrine in which the intent is self gain and not just love for the Lord and others a doctrine in which your soul purpose in giving is to increase yourself is completly contrary to the gospel of Christ and the Laws in which He said we are to Love others we are to be denying self so if we are giving just so we can recieve thats sin!!
who disagrees with that last statement
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Posted : 30 Jan, 2012 07:17 AM
Jesus did not figure himself out wrong, now you did it again Elisha you see you want to be wrong, it is not hard to enter into unbelief.
There will always be job's comforters
It is a choice to walk in faith and only those that walk in faith please the father.
Jesus is man's prosperity to whom will believe.
No I did not get it wrong by believing in the lord Jesus and his redemption and no amount of the mocking and scorning and unbelief will change his word.
To love him all will have to forsake his opinion's and accept the truth of the word of God.
In case you not sure what I have said, The gospel is prosperity and prosperity to every aspect of unbelief.
Pj can you please explain to me to where I am not having to guess at what you mean, when exactly did I acuse Jesus of being wrong? I acused you of being wrong and I plainly p;ainly stated that I do believe we will prosper everything I ever said was about our intent and the condition of our hearts so please explai what you mean by I did it again and that I said Jesus was wrong
Posted : 31 Jan, 2012 05:56 PM
It is very simple Jesus is man's prosperity and more!!!
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Pj can you please explain to me to where I am not having to guess at what you mean, when exactly did I acuse Jesus of being wrong? I acused you of being wrong and I plainly p;ainly stated that I do believe we will prosper everything I ever said was about our intent and the condition of our hearts so please explai what you mean by I did it again and that I said Jesus was wrong
Posted : 31 Jan, 2012 06:19 PM
yes PJ and that scripture has nothing to do with wordly riches!
Pj can you please explain to me to where I am not having to guess at what you mean, when exactly did I acuse Jesus of being wrong? I acused you of being wrong and I plainly p;ainly stated that I do believe we will prosper everything I ever said was about our intent and the condition of our hearts so please explai what you mean by I did it again and that I said Jesus was wrong
Posted : 31 Jan, 2012 06:47 PM
Not one time have I said anything about worldly riches, i am not in the kingdom of Darkness.
Pj can you please explain to me to where I am not having to guess at what you mean, when exactly did I acuse Jesus of being wrong? I acused you of being wrong and I plainly p;ainly stated that I do believe we will prosper everything I ever said was about our intent and the condition of our hearts so please explai what you mean by I did it again and that I said Jesus was wrong
Posted : 31 Jan, 2012 07:54 PM
Then whats the problem all I have evr said is that those who are out to gain wordly riches and make money are evil thats it, I have said it over and over and over again! But you still continued to argue with me! I even said I AGREE the God will prosper us in every aspect of our lives all I said was its evil to send in money with the sole purpos of getting more money back! But you stil lkeep insisting I am in unbelief:rolleyes:
Pj can you please explain to me to where I am not having to guess at what you mean, when exactly did I acuse Jesus of being wrong? I acused you of being wrong and I plainly p;ainly stated that I do believe we will prosper everything I ever said was about our intent and the condition of our hearts so please explai what you mean by I did it again and that I said Jesus was wrong
Posted : 31 Jan, 2012 09:35 PM
I am not arguing with anybody Elisha, plain and simple i believe the word of God is the truth, the world is not our standards.
Btw Money does not make Jesus nervous.
If you remember you where agreeing with a few other;'s that where railing in sin with their mouth about certain people and the prosperity gospel.
Two Gross errors Speaking evil of a minister of God or anyone for that matter is sin.
Then the second sin was saying all the comments about the prosperity gospel.
Just to include the bible has always taught you reap what you sow, that is a spiritural law.
Pj can you please explain to me to where I am not having to guess at what you mean, when exactly did I acuse Jesus of being wrong? I acused you of being wrong and I plainly p;ainly stated that I do believe we will prosper everything I ever said was about our intent and the condition of our hearts so please explai what you mean by I did it again and that I said Jesus was wrong
Posted : 31 Jan, 2012 10:05 PM
PJ just because someone claims to be a minister of God doesnt make it so, Joel Osteen is a buisness man I can see right through him, If you werent blinded by your own personal opinions so would you.you want to disagree with some just because you disagree with what doctrine they follow but sometimes just because they are wrong on most things they are right on others I have never said I am always right I admit when I am wrong but you have never one time admited to a mistake or an error , that I have seen and I have seen many many people disagree with you so PJ what do you think is the most likely senario?/ You are always right every single time you have a disagreement with someone on here orrrrrr you think you are always right and you are too stuborn and a little too proud to admit that you may be wrong sometimes!
Anytime someone acuses you of being wrong you come back with they acused the gospel or Jesus of being wrong when in fact all they have said is you are wrong about what the Gospel or what the Lord has said or implied!
Yes the spiritual law is you reep what you sew, therefor if you sew selfishness you will reep corruption and you know it
If you sew with a genrous and loving heart you will reep the Lords blessings in your life which may or may not be money related I was explaining to someone just today that the Lord knows our hearts and if you have a heart that wil become corrupted if you have a whole lot of money, well guess what He may not let you have a whole lot of money until your heart is changed some!
But the opposit is also true if He knows you will use money for the good of the kingdom that you wont become corrupt that you will bless others and so on, well he may bless you with a whole bunch of it!
The Lord knows whats in our hearts, and he is a good father
PJ if you know that your child would take a really fast sports car and drive it really fast around curves with the lights off , wold you give them one as a gift??
I doubt it!! Its the same with the Lord he loves us enough that he isnt going to give us something that will hurt us, and money can be dangerous and you know it
Know money didnt make the Lord nervous he spoke very clearly about the way he felt about money
Here are some scriptures from the new testement that gives you an idea of what the word says about money
Matthew 19:21-26
Jesus said to him, �If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.� But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property. And Jesus said to His disciples, �Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. �Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.� When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, �Then who can be saved?� And looking at them Jesus said to them, �With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.�
Mark 4:19
But the worries of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.
Mark 8:36
For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?
1 Timothy 6:9-11
But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness.
James 5:1-6
Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments have become moth-eaten. Your gold and your silver have rusted; and their rust will be a witness against you and will consume your flesh like fire. It is in the last days that you have stored up your treasure! Behold, the pay of the laborers who mowed your fields, and which has been withheld by you, cries out against you; and the outcry of those who did the harvesting has reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. You have lived luxuriously on the earth and led a life of wanton pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. You have condemned and put to death the righteous man; he does not resist you.
Pj can you please explain to me to where I am not having to guess at what you mean, when exactly did I acuse Jesus of being wrong? I acused you of being wrong and I plainly p;ainly stated that I do believe we will prosper everything I ever said was about our intent and the condition of our hearts so please explai what you mean by I did it again and that I said Jesus was wrong
Pj can you please explain to me to where I am not having to guess at what you mean, when exactly did I acuse Jesus of being wrong? I acused you of being wrong and I plainly p;ainly stated that I do believe we will prosper everything I ever said was about our intent and the condition of our hearts so please explai what you mean by I did it again and that I said Jesus was wrong
Posted : 1 Feb, 2012 05:20 AM
NO Pj If its my opinion that your opinion is wrong that is not judging, judging is saying I have particioated in someone elses sin and I am in unbelief I have not once acused you of asin I have only said you misunderstand why I say and you misunderstand scripture!
You are so quick to say what you think the Lord feels about money , but I have posted specific scriptures somwe in which as the Lord Jesus himself speaking and they at specific to money and the intintions of a mans heart striving to get money and worrying so much about money!
One of them is from your favirot the parable of the sewer you cent ignore scripture just because it doesnt suit you PJ you just cant!
I Love you and I realize you yourself have probably been saved longer than I have and I am not trying to prevoke you I merely love you and really want you to see truth,
Claimig something is true doesnt make it true PJ!!!
What makes something true is the word of God lineing up with it!
If you cant post scripture to support what you have proclamed about money then you musy concied!
PJ I am asuming that you have moey (i may be wrong)
I seen it seems like way before on your profile where you are not even working but seekinmg employment I may hav misunderstood.
But if you are a wealthy man and you are offened by what I have said because of this you should know I dont think you are any less a christian because uyou have money!
I have seen first hand what God will do for someone if they have the right heat towards the subject!When my daddy got saved I was a child my parents were divorced and before they got divorced we were very very poor my mother made most of my clothes and so forth we ate chicken and rice like 3 times a week and hot dogs 2 and maybe the other day we would have something like tacos! we drank red coolaid and had popcorn for snaks there was nothing extra the kids at school made fun of me because my clothes were hand made or hand me downs! But ater my daddy got savd I watched his buisness prosper he has lived in the same house since I was 10 its paid for now he never buys a vehichal that isnt brand new and that he doesnt pay cash for! This is finacial prosperity he doesnt buy a brand new car or truck every year and he doesnt have more tghan he needs he does have a very nice truck that he bought new with cash but its because he is frugal and doesnt buy elaborate things that he has to make payments on! This is how a godly man handles his money not continualy trading up on houses or cars just because he can but saving ods money and using it for the good!
HE prospered but his heart was never towards his money this is why he was able to use it in a godly way! I do not have a problem with wealthy people I know that many godly people are wealthy but its clear that the preachers who have access wealth because they are cashing the checks that poor people are sending them are not practicing sewing and reeping they are dishonest sznd are taking advantage of those peole who are poor and ignorant! Like I said before why dont these tv preachers ever encourage peole to give to their local church? No that would take away from their cut they dont even encourgawe folks to attend local churches they want them to be sitting there watching their church service and some of them never oreach one word on hollieness but nothing but money and healing thats because money blessings and healings is what people want so they convince them that if the send some money to that particular minisatry they will reciee their healing or the money blessing! Why dont they say send it in or give it to your church or send it over to jimmy swaggart it doesnt matter it is a gift to Gods kingdom well the truth is its no gift because you cant give someone something that already belongs to them and God owns everything inluding every dime in your pocket and the sooner we we realize that the better off we wil be!
So when w give to a minstry or our curch God owes us nothing I am not saying he wont bless us I am saying he is nt obligated to that money was his anyway the whole time!
people try to tie Him into some sort of contract about money they so ok Lod I gave a little extra now I want extra back and thats sin!
If we are to give freeliy not expecting anythin g back from our enemys brothers and sisiters how much more are we to give freely not expecting from Him
Pj can you please explain to me to where I am not having to guess at what you mean, when exactly did I acuse Jesus of being wrong? I acused you of being wrong and I plainly p;ainly stated that I do believe we will prosper everything I ever said was about our intent and the condition of our hearts so please explai what you mean by I did it again and that I said Jesus was wrong
Posted : 1 Feb, 2012 05:50 AM
No Elisha Jesus, is not an opinion he is the truth and if you persist in your stance that is very serious, that is exactly how you open the door to the devil
Pj can you please explain to me to where I am not having to guess at what you mean, when exactly did I acuse Jesus of being wrong? I acused you of being wrong and I plainly p;ainly stated that I do believe we will prosper everything I ever said was about our intent and the condition of our hearts so please explai what you mean by I did it again and that I said Jesus was wrong
Posted : 1 Feb, 2012 05:54 AM
PJ I just gave about 5 scriptures that are the reason I believe what I do, how are you disuting me now? all I belioeve is what the Lord said and inspired others to say!
