Author	Thread: We are suposed to tithe and Jesus said so
elishabroadway View Profile History	We are suposed to tithe and Jesus said so Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 07:27 PM Today�s Question: One area that I am researching is the Tithe and offering. I know very well what Malachi 3:7-12 teaches that according to the Law if a believer falls short then they have robbed God and fall under a curse. Paul wrote to the Galatians in Galatians. 3:13 telling them they had been redeemed from the cruse of the Law. The main point of Malachi 3 is often over looked. The prophet was telling the Jews to turn their hearts to God and give with love so the ministries would be fully supplied. I know that God wants us to give�and I believe in the law of reciprocity�and I know we need to support our local church, orphans, widows, etc. Here�s my question shouldn�t support and giving be from the heart and not because we are under a mandatory legal system? What are your views on Tithes, offerings and giving? Brother Keith Bible Answer: You asked a great question. I get this question all the time. Tithing began before the law was introduced. The Law simply regulated the tithe. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek, 400 years before the time of Moses and the Law, and according to Romans 4:12 we are to walk in the footsteps of the faith of Abraham. If tithing was good for him, it should be good for us, too. We give tithes like Abraham gave them�not by the Law but by faith. And beside that, if the people of God paid ten percent before the Law, and ten percent under the Law, shouldn't we, who live by grace, be doing any less when we have a better covenant (Heb 7:22). There is a passage in Hebrews, which deals with this issue directly. It is Hebrews 7:8: In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. Melchizedek received Abraham�s tithe. The Hebrew writer shows that Melchizedek is a prefigure of Christ. We can conclude that just as Abraham gave a tithe to Melchizedek we give a tithe to Christ who is declared to be living. Some people think this is a new issue. It is as old as the second century when more and more Gentiles were being converted. The early Jewish believers had no problem with tithing since they had done it under the Law and gave it to the priests. They simply gave their tithe to the elders of the church and did by love. However, as the church became less Jewish this issue came up to the church fathers. They answered the question of tithing with Matthew 23:23: "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices�mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law�justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. Notice Jesus said, "You should have practiced the latter (justice, mercy and faithfulness), without neglecting the former (tithing)." The fathers argued, and rightful so, that Jesus word ends the discussion. Since Jesus said not to neglect the former�being tithing�then no believer should neglect tithing. I wholeheartedly agree! Some argue that Jesus words are not applicable to us today, because Jesus was under the Law and spoke to those under the Law. Their theory goes something like this: Jesus was giving an instruction to the Jews so His words are not binding to us. The problem with this interpretation is that these teachers are bringing Christ down to the level of a Jewish prophet or Teacher of the Law. Jesus is the Word of God made flesh, so this means every word that comes out of His mouth is eternal. He cannot say anything without it being �spiritual law� and everlasting. Jesus emphasizes this point by saying, �Heaven and earth may pass away, but my words will never pass away� (Matt 24:35). These supposed Bible teachers are making the words of Jesus pass away�obsolete and out of date. Besides, these same teachers pick and choose which teachings of Christ in the gospels they believe is applicable to us. I notice that even these teachers agree that most of Christ� teachings are for us; however, because they are predisposed against tithing, they have had to come up with an excuse for not obeying the clear word of Christ in Mathew 23:23. As a believer, you have to show who your Lord is! Is it the teachers who tell you tithing is not New Testament and who tell you that Jesus word on the subject is out of date; or is it Jesus who clearly told us not to neglect tithing? No modern teacher has the right to tell you to disobey Jesus instruction on tithing. Period! Even if the only passages in the New Testament was Jesus word, then that would be sufficient, however, I want to present other New Testament passages on the subject. Let�s look at Paul�s teaching on giving. Paul also uses the pattern of tithing under the law in 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 and says, Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. Paul argues that just as the priests got their food from the tithes of the people, so the preachers should live the same way. This passage clearly shows the mentality of the apostle and his understanding of carrying over the concept of tithing into the church. The passage often used to contradict this is 2 Corinthians 9:7: Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. The argument goes something like this: "Each believer has a right to decide for himself what to give and should not be told what percentage he should contribute." The problem with this argument is that the above passage is not dealing with giving to support the church, but rather giving to the poor. Under the Law, giving to the poor was a freewill offering. The Law commanded freewill offerings as well as tithes: But you are to seek the place the LORD your God will choose from among all your tribes to put his Name there for his dwelling. To that place you must go; there bring your burnt offerings and sacrifices, your tithes and special gifts, what you have vowed to give and your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks. (Deut 12:5-6) It is quite inconsistent for people to appeal to freewill offerings yet claim that tithing has been abolished. Both tithing and freewill offerings were incorporated in the Law as the above passage shows, but they preceded the Law, thus they both should be practiced. The burden of proof is placed on those who teach that tithing has been abolished. If so, where in the New Testament does it clearly say that tithing has been abolished? One last thing, notice the resemblance of the language Paul uses in the first passage in Galatians and compare it with the Old Testament passage about tithing: Anyone who receives instruction in the word must share all good things with his instructor. (Gal 6:6) And you and the Levites and the aliens among you shall rejoice in all the good things the LORD your God has given to you and your household. When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the alien, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied. (Deut 26:11-12) Galatians 6 is dealing with giving to the teacher of the gospel and he uses the same language about the Levites receiving the tithe of the people and he calls it "all good things." This is pretty good internal evidence that the early church tithed to the ministers of the gospel, although, I admit it is not explicit evidence. Post Reply
View Profile History	We are suposed to tithe and Jesus said so Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 07:58 PM Come out from under the LAW,unto the grace of YHWH in Yeshua... If you want to be under the law and 'TITHE',then look up the 'THREE YEAR TITHE'. Then tell me if you or any of your 'HEALTH AND WEALTH' cronies are doing 'ANY OF THIS'.... Oh and 'DO NOT FORGET YOUR OFFERINGS'.... Me Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	We are suposed to tithe and Jesus said so Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 08:21 PM You are just a mean person and you cut me down without even adressin ghte scripture the article presented, I am not under the law I just love the lord so I obey him, again I say to you , your under conviction so you lash out at me, I am not a health and wealther I life a very modest life and I dont expect or even want God to bring me wealth I trust him, I will say it like I did in the other post, I make 250 a week I have ateenage daughter i rais with almost no help last week our child suport was 1 dollar and 99 cent, I wright my tithes check every week but it is never a burden, my barrels are never empty and my bills are always paid we always have what we need andI am a lender not a borrower, I have 0 debt.. So what you say abbout it being a burden to Gods people does not hold water as I live below poverty level (from what the world calls poverty a dollar amount) and we get by comfortable, no I dont drive a brand new car but I have a car so does my daughter they bith have gas in them we have plenty of food and I can even afford the internet and satilite tv for her to watch!!! so it is no burden his yoke is easy and his burden is light, so dont lash out at me becaseu you are under conviction.. Talk to God if you dont like what the bible says Post Reply
View Profile History	We are suposed to tithe and Jesus said so Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 08:37 PM That is the why those that are under the traditions of men talk Elisha, you will learn that, and of course you are always the problem and another that voice says you say this and that instead of what scripture says. the good of it is you search out scripture and you digging and finding treasure's Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	We are suposed to tithe and Jesus said so Posted : 15 Nov, 2011 01:11 AM Amen Elisha, God,s children are to give in faith. A tenth is a good place to start. I think that is just the low side of normal. I myself give at least a tenth to my church. Giving to charity is above and beyond that. Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	We are suposed to tithe and Jesus said so Posted : 15 Nov, 2011 07:23 AM @ Donna I give a tenth as it is a bill I pay, like clockwork, when a situation arisses or I feel the need I also give , to people or to the church as I feel lead,I dont give to charities. I do give in charity straight to people in need as I dont trust charities, we just had a gospel sing to raise money for a little girl with cancer and no insurance I gave to them through my church cause I know it ALL went straght to the family.. Post Reply
View Profile History	We are suposed to tithe and Jesus said so Posted : 15 Nov, 2011 11:02 AM Isaac gave tithes while inside of Abrahams loins. Since Yeshua 'FULFILLED ALL OF THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS' this includes 'TITHING'. Since a person is in Yeshua and Yeshua 'PAID your TITHES', Why then are you still 'TRYING' to do something which has been 'accomplished,completed,finished, and put to an end. Do you also TITHE your time,how about other parts of your life,do you tithe those as well. Yeshua came to set us 'FREE',not to bring us back into bondage. Jas 2:10 For whoever shall keep all the Law, but stumbles in one, he has become guilty of all. elisha,I believe you have been listening to the wrong meassage, that people that are in bondage to wanting wealth,these are those you should not listen to. Listen to the Word of YHWH: Joh_8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. Mat_11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Mat_11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Tithing is a yoke that will choke you,and leave you in bondage. Shalom Me Post Reply
View Profile History	We are suposed to tithe and Jesus said so Posted : 15 Nov, 2011 11:18 AM No George it is your traditions of men that will choke the word out of men and the giving heed to seducing spirits, the tithe is the lord's not yours, so who is your lord. Post Reply
View Profile History	We are suposed to tithe and Jesus said so Posted : 15 Nov, 2011 11:24 AM Since Yeshua 'FULFILLED ALL OF THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS' this includes 'TITHING'. *** I find no where in Scripture where the Word says since Jesus fullfilled the Law that He GOD/Jesus dismiss's tithing....xo Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	We are suposed to tithe and Jesus said so Posted : 15 Nov, 2011 11:35 AM Mathew 23:23 Jesus saya woe unto you ,scribes and pharasees hypocrits for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin and have ommited the wieghter matters of the law, jugment ,mercy and faith, these ought ye have done AND NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE!!!!!! JESUS PLAINLY SAID TO TITHE Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	We are suposed to tithe and Jesus said so Posted : 15 Nov, 2011 11:42 AM Amen Elisha, i only give to church and the chrisis pregnancy center i am involved with. I know where that money goes. As for other charities i do not. I do give to families at work that are in need, but it goes right to the person in need. Post Reply

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